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Old 12-23-2011, 11:52 AM
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It is highly unlikely (and imo totally out of the question) that Archduke Karl raises the descendants of Archduchesses to the rank of Archdukes/Archduchesses.
And however, they would still remain Princesses Galitzine, so part of the problem would still remain.
I agree this is highly unlikely but didn't Maria-Theresia's husband or her son on being ruling head of the Archiducal House of Austria raise Archduchess Maria-Christina's saxonian husband Duke of Teschen to Archduke of Austria-Teschen on his marriage?
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:02 PM
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We view things in a same way...also when registering after their wedding Emperor Nicholas suggested that Konstantin Bagration,the bridegroom of Tatiana Konstantinovna,signes the wedding register as "Prince Gruzinsky" (i.e. "Prince of Georgia") and assured Grand Duke Konstantin that "they would never look upon her marriage to Bagration as morganatic,because this House, like the House of Orleans, is descended from a once ruling dynasty."
I also find it interesting that the some of the people that attack her Georgian roots are hypocrites as they are descended from Montenegro - a monarchy which was overtaken by the king of Serbia but is now recognized again.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:04 PM
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I agree this is highly unlikely but didn't Maria-Theresia's husband or her son on being ruling head of the Archiducal House of Austria raise Archduchess Maria-Christina's saxonian husband Duke of Teschen to Archduke of Austria-Teschen on his marriage?
And King Edward of Britain raised his niece Ena of Batenberg to HRH via her mother's line so she could wed Alfonso of Spain. It is something that has been done.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:10 PM
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And King Edward of Britain raised his niece Ena of Batenberg to HRH via her mother's line so she could wed Alfonso of Spain. It is something that has been done.
Yeah 105 years ago in the UK, I doubt such a thing would occur in Austria.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:37 PM
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I agree this is highly unlikely but didn't Maria-Theresia's husband or her son on being ruling head of the Archiducal House of Austria raise Archduchess Maria-Christina's saxonian husband Duke of Teschen to Archduke of Austria-Teschen on his marriage?
No, as far as I know Prince Albert of Saxony has never been given the title of Archduke of Austria. The Archdukes of Austria-Teschen were the descendants of Archduke Karl (1771-1847), son of Emperor Leopold II, who had been adopted by Albert and Maria Christina and who succeeded to Alberto as Duke of Teschen at his death in 1822.
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I also find it interesting that the some of the people that attack her Georgian roots are hypocrites as they are descended from Montenegro - a monarchy which was overtaken by the king of Serbia but is now recognized again.
No one is attacking Leonida's Georgian roots. The point Nicholas Romanov (and others) have made in the past is Vladimir's marriage was unequal under the Pauline Laws because the Bagration-Moukhrani line was nobility, not royalty, under the Russian Empire, which is true.

They were also non-reigning in Georgia for centuries as the Gruzinsky was the regnant line as Tsars of Georgia, even though the Moukhrani was senior genealogically. Today both lines have reunited in royal marriage and Georgia recognizes the family officially.
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And King Edward of Britain raised his niece Ena of Batenberg to HRH via her mother's line so she could wed Alfonso of Spain. It is something that has been done.
Ena of Battenberg was marrying the King of Spain and Alfonso obviously approved of his own bride, who was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria and niece of a reigning King. His mother, Maria-Cristina, a former Archduchess of Austria, was displeased with her son's choice at first, but later accepted it.

Edward VII consented to the marriage and raised Ena's rank to HRH as a courtesy, but it wasn't necessary.
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Old 12-23-2011, 08:00 PM
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Edward VII consented to the marriage and raised Ena's rank to HRH as a courtesy, but it wasn't necessary.
True,HRH wasn't necessary...Princess Cecilie von Salm-Salm was also a candidate for Alfonso and Ena's son and she was obviously considered good enough even though she belonged to a mediatized family...
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Nicholas was fond of Grand Duke Constantine and Tatiana, but he did not accept her marriage as equal. She renounced her rights to the throne beforehand and he issued a decree confirming her style would be HH Princess Tatiana Bagration-Mouhkrani (she retained her rank as a Highness).

It was a marriage of good standing for a princess of the blood far from the succession.
That's why it falls into "grey area"...there are facts which one can use for this claim and there are also facts which one can use against this claim!Somewhere in between...
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It is usually the case that a woman of superior rank retains her precedence and style if marrying a man of lesser rank. Tatiana was a Princess of the Blood marrying a noble Prince and she remained Her Highness as a male-line great-granddaughter of a Tsar.

It was not an equal marriage under the Pauline Laws, but Nicholas had already issued a decree stating Princes and Princesses of the Blood could enter into unequal marriages to persons of good-standing with permission of the Emperor. Any issue of these marriages were not in succession to the throne.
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I honestly think that Grand Duchess Olga was right when she was asked about it. It was her contention that there were no rightful heirs/heiresses and that it was best left alone for now.
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I honestly think that Grand Duchess Olga was right when she was asked about it. It was her contention that there were no rightful heirs/heiresses and that it was best left alone for now.
Where,when and to whom she said it?Thx
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The sister of Nicholas II, in the book that she (Olga) worked on with an author before her death: http://www.amazon.com/Last-Grand-Duc...4827175&sr=1-2 It's such an awesome book and it's dictated by the Grand Duchess herself. You'll love it.

As for Georgi, he will have to get married when he's ready, no sooner.
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During her recent visit to Russia,the GD Maria Vladimirovna not only awarded the soldiers with the Order of Saint Nichola,but gave a short interview.In a short interview she said she hopes to return soon in Russia and finally answers the question about the potential daughter-in-law.
Here is a translation :
" Speaking of moms! In the summer you were guest at the wedding of Prince of Monaco with swimmer from South Africa. Could you allow your son to marry, as Albert or Prince William, a kind of Cinderella?

- Of course, we have family rules but do not know that the God would send him. The time will come - we shall see!"
http://translate.google.ru/translate...595%2F&act=url
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I wonder if she is going to end up arranging for her son to meet eligible women. It should be an interesting wedding.
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Grand Duke George is apparently in a relationship with Rebecca Bettarini, daughter of the Italian Ambassador to Belgium Roberto Bettarini.

The couple earlier this year at the Brussels Antiques and Fine Art Fair: BRAFA 2012 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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What will Mommy say??? OMG, she is not a princess, not of equal birth, there goes the dynasty !!!!!! Better get the smelling salts ready
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As long as they don't get married...
Most probably, Maria Vladimirovna will find a minor Princess willing to enter an arranged marriage and sire an heir. Once the "job" is done, they can separate and Georgi would be free to marry whoever he would like, Princess or not.
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I wonder how this mythical princess would end up feeling, being so brazenly used and then discarded.
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I doubt she would be hurt because obviously it takes two to tango; a potential wife for Georgi would know exactly what she was getting into. What the benefits would be for her (if any) are only to be speculated.
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