A bride for Alexei


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Vasillisos, this thread is entirely your fault! ;)

Let's say that no revolution occurred, and that Alexei lived to see his majority. Given as Vasillisos has said, Nicky and Alix would be very careful to ensure that Alexei didn't marry anyone who might carry the gene defect that caused hemophilia.

The marriage would have to be an "equal" one, and, unless I miss my guess, the candidate could not be a descendent of Queen Victoria via the material line.

Candidates, anyone?
 
Oops, my bad! I forgot to note that the candidate must be Orthodox, or willing to convert to Orthodoxy. :bang:
 
How about the Greek Royal Family? They would already be orthodox, surely there were some princesses there. Princess Olga was born in 1903, which makes her slightly older than Alexei, but Princess Marina, who later married the Duke of Kent, was born in 1906 and they were both descended from the Russian Royal Families. I am not sure, however, if they were first cousins to Alexei which would automatically rule them ineligible (or should have by Orthodox beliefs) to marry him but I don't think they were first cousins.
 
How about the Greek Royal Family? They would already be orthodox, surely there were some princesses there. Princess Olga was born in 1903, which makes her slightly older than Alexei, but Princess Marina, who later married the Duke of Kent, was born in 1906 and they were both descended from the Russian Royal Families. I am not sure, however, if they were first cousins to Alexei which would automatically rule them ineligible (or should have by Orthodox beliefs) to marry him but I don't think they were first cousins.

No, Alexei was not a first cousin to the Greek girls (Olga, Elizabeth and Marina). In fact, he was their double second cousin through Alexander II and Christian IX. So you are correct, both being of the Orthodox faith, Alexei could have married one of his Greek cousins.

Christian IX ------> George I -----> Nicholas ----->OEM
Christian IX ------> Dagmar ------>Nicholas II----> Alexei

Alexander II ------> Alexander III ------> Nicholas II -----> Alexei
Alexander II ------> Vladimir -----------> Elena -----------> OEM
 
How about the Countess of Harewood
 
Which Countess of Harewood?
 
I think Royal Fan means Princess Mary, the Princess Royal, when mentioning the Countess of Harewood. Mary would have had to convert to the Orthodox faith but Alix did it after some soul searching. Since Mary was descended from the male line (Victoria-Edward VII-George V) there would have been no fear that she could pass the hemophilia gene along to Alexei, so she would have been a suitable candidate, but 8 years older than Alexei
 
Well age doesn't matter if your in love.
 
Excluding all the Catholic Princesses, because the Pope wouldn't agree about their conversion:
Ingrid or Astrid of Sweden;
Feodora, Carolina Mathilde or Alexandrina Louise of Denmark;
Evgenia, Olga, Elisabeta or Marina of Greece;
Friederike of Hannover;
Irene or Viktoria of Hesse-Philippsthal-Barchfeld;
Viktoria of Schleswig Holstein;
Karoline, Sieglinde or Elisabeth of Lippe-Biesterfeld;
Eleonore of Lippe-Weissenfeld;
Marie Therese, Luise, Marianne, Elisabeth of Prussia;
Ileana of Romania;
Sophie of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach;
Elisabeth of Saxe-Altenburg;
Sibylle or Caroline of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha;
Elisabeth or Bathildis of Schaumburg-Lippe.
 
Didnt he once say he wanted to marry Ileana of Romania
 
MAfan: I quite like the idea of Princess Ileana of Romania. Already Orthodox, certainly an "equal" marriage, and a woman of compassion and strength. She would likely have made an excellent Empress Consort.

And since one of the things held so darkly against Alix was her German nationality, Ileana, who considered herself Romanian to her very soul, would have been an ideal choice.
 
Considering that his (much in love) parents dared to the whole world in order to marry, since nobody wanted them to do but the German Emperor, I wonder whether Nicholas and Alexandra would force him to a politically convenient marriage or they would allow him to marry only the woman he loved (but of course, a Royal woman).
 
Considering that his (much in love) parents dared to the whole world in order to marry, since nobody wanted them to do but the German Emperor, I wonder whether Nicholas and Alexandra would force him to a politically convenient marriage or they would allow him to marry only the woman he loved (but of course, a Royal woman).

Didn't Ella and Serge also want them to marry?

Though I wonder most who would have been a prospective husband, or have been chosen for OTMA. Especially, as, I mean, Olga was 21 or something. She should have been married, or at least have someone in mind for her, if she wasn't engaged. At least most of her aunts/cousins and such were married by the time they were 21, weren't they?
 
Didn't Ella and Serge also want them to marry
Yes, probably you're right; but apart from them, all the other relatives of N&A were against the match.

Though I wonder most who would have been a prospective husband, or have been chosen for OTMA. Especially, as, I mean, Olga was 21 or something. She should have been married, or at least have someone in mind for her, if she wasn't engaged. At least most of her aunts/cousins and such were married by the time they were 21, weren't they?
Olga was 23, Tatiana 21, Maria 19 and Anastasia 17 when they were murdered; and at the time; I was surprised too that no one of them was engaged at the time. I mean, when their mother married aged 22 she was considered even too old for marrying!
Btw, the Earl Mountbatten of Burma was in love with Maria, and always kept a picture of her beside his bed; but the same Maria once said that her intention was to marry a Russian soldier and have twenty children with him.
 
Considering that his (much in love) parents dared to the whole world in order to marry, since nobody wanted them to do but the German Emperor, I wonder whether Nicholas and Alexandra would force him to a politically convenient marriage or they would allow him to marry only the woman he loved (but of course, a Royal woman).

MAfan, while I would like to hope that his parents would have encouraged a love match, rather than a politically correct one, my bigger question would be what Alix's emotional response to her son's marriage would have been. Alix was so emotionally invested in Alexei, both as her only son and the heir to the throne, that I have a hard time envisioning her "warm approval" of any match that he might make. After all, the bride would be someone who would/should become first in Alexei's heart, supplanting in many ways Alix's place in Alexei's life.

I think Alix would have settled nicely into the life of Dowager Empress (had that occurred), but as a mother-in-law to any bride of Alexei, I suspect she would have been less than stellar.
 
Olga was 23, Tatiana 21, Maria 19 and Anastasia 17 when they were murdered; and at the time; I was surprised too that no one of them was engaged at the time. I mean, when their mother married aged 22 she was considered even too old for marrying!
Btw, the Earl Mountbatten of Burma was in love with Maria, and always kept a picture of her beside his bed; but the same Maria once said that her intention was to marry a Russian soldier and have twenty children with him.

MAfan, I have to laugh at that reference to Maria, I can almost hear her saying that!

I recall reading that Olga at one point in early adulthood stated flatly that she was Russian and would never marry anyone if she were required to move from Russia. That would have drastically limited her choices, since most candidates would have been the progeny of families who were not looked upon with favor by Alix.
 
Quite right, Pamela, I read the same thing about Olga being Russian to the core and swearing she would only marry a Russian. But then, love does have a way of complicating things. The older Grand Duchesses may have been more in the "marrying mood" if the war had not intervened, which accounts for the lack of suitors to some extent. Right before the war broke out, the family went to Rumania with the idea of seeing what may become of Carol and Olga getting to know one another.

ON the other hand, I don't think Nicky and Alicky were in a big hurry to marry off their daughters and I think sheltered the daughters which may have stunted their emotional growth to the extent that the girls were not agitating to get out and get some boyfriends.
 
Indeed the war quite surely postponed the marriage question. The biggest issue was finding a suitable husband for their daughters liked by Alexandra, almost an impossible mission if they wanted to marry to Russian men.
Actually it would cause some troubles, because, unless they married inside the Imperial Family, no Russian man would be of Royal blood, and Russian Grand Dukes and Grand Duchesses were requested to marry only to members of Sovereign or Mediatized families.

This leads me to a question: what would be the general reaction to a (equal) marriage of Alexis to a "mere" German Countess, member of a Mediatized House?
 
"Royal blood"? You mean Royal status. Plenty of Russian noble families were descended from the previous Rurikid dynasty. Not to mention the Bagrations were most definitely of "royal blood" despite only having the status of nobility within the empire.
 
"Royal blood"? You mean Royal status. Plenty of Russian noble families were descended from the previous Rurikid dynasty. Not to mention the Bagrations were most definitely of "royal blood" despite only having the status of nobility within the empire.


The Bagrations but only half of the family were in the highest rank of nobility (the rank where all the descendants of Rukhikid, Gedemides, Jagellon, Khans were). It was the branch of the actual Anna Bagration (the unhappy bride, ex wife of Davit).
The branch of the late Grand Duchess Leonida Romanova belonged to the high nobility in Georgian Kingdom, as great vassal and minor branch of Bagration, so the Russian Court respected this hierarchy. They were on lowest rank in the imperial high nobility.
The russian system respected the local system, just adaptated.
 
"Royal blood"? You mean Royal status. Plenty of Russian noble families were descended from the previous Rurikid dynasty. Not to mention the Bagrations were most definitely of "royal blood" despite only having the status of nobility within the empire.

I'm sorry, I bad expressed my thought; I mean indeed royal status.
 
Evgenia, Olga, Elisabeta or Marina of Greece;
And also the Duke of Edinburgh's sisters from the GRF. I believe that Alix especially would have favoured them, being the daughters of her Hessian niece and also cousins through the Romanov and Danish line. Of course there would be some concern about haemophilia and they were quite poor by royal standards, but I think they had high chances. Olga, Elisabeth and Marine were suitable , but they had the reputation of being somehow spoiled as children and teenagers and they were the granddaughters of darling aunt Miechen :D
 
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I had thought to them too, and in first instance I added them to my list; but I've removed them because of the haemophilia problem. Luckily it appears that none of them transmitted the disease to their children.
 
Ileana of Romania, definately :D
They also knew each other, I remember seeing some pictures of Alexei & Ileana on Standart I think.
 
Would the rumors about Ileana's parentage cause some concern for Alix? Were those rumors bandied about in royal circles at the time?
 
Vasillisos, I'm ignorant of any rumors about Ileana's parentage. Is it suggested that she is the progeny of Queen Marie via an affair? :eek:

Please enlighten me, and thanks!
 
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I had thought to them too, and in first instance I added them to my list; but I've removed them because of the haemophilia problem. Luckily it appears that none of them transmitted the disease to their children.

However, the fact that they apparently were not carriers could not have been known at the time, since the science didn't exist to confirm that fact. That's why I eliminated them as well. Since we are assuming that Alexei reached adulthood in spite of his hemophilia, and given Alix's terrible guilt knowing she had passed this disease on to him, I'm sure she'd have been scrupulous in ensuring that this same tragedy did not repeat itself.
 
Vasillisos, I'm ignorant of any rumors about Ileana's parentage. Is it suggested that she is the progeny of Queen Marie via an affair? :eek:

Please enlighten me, and thanks!


Ileana's biological father was actually Prince Barbu Ştirbey like the last kid of the royal family.
Officially it was simply a rumor because Queen Marie didn't love her husband and disdained him and Prince Stirbey was her lover almost officially - but for the romanian people it's the true. Today also.
 
However, the fact that they apparently were not carriers could not have been known at the time, since the science didn't exist to confirm that fact. That's why I eliminated them as well. Since we are assuming that Alexei reached adulthood in spite of his hemophilia, and given Alix's terrible guilt knowing she had passed this disease on to him, I'm sure she'd have been scrupulous in ensuring that this same tragedy did not repeat itself.

Actually, I have a lot of doubts that Alexis would reach the adulthood, but I can't know it dfor sure; after all, his cousin Prince Waldemar of Prussia, suffering of aemophilia as well, died aged 56.
I wonder if Alix would look for some "fresh blood" for his son, in order to avoid problems for the next generations.
 
He did managed to survive thorugh the exile and the difficult last months of his loife, so he might have reached his early 20s. I believe that , once he had reached 20, his parents would have already have found him a wife, and would have married them in a hurry , hoping at least to secure the dynasty in their line, and also have a child of Alexei to give them some relief in case he died.
 
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