The Chances of Restoration of Monarchy in Iran


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1. Norway - Constitutional Monarchy.
2. Sweden - Constitutional Monarchy.
3. Iceland - Parliamentary Republic.
4. Denmark - Constitutional Monarchy.
5. New Zealand - Constitutional Monarchy.
6. Australia - Constitutional Monarchy.

7. Switzerland - Parliamentary Republic.
8. Canada - Constitutional Monarchy.
9. Finland - Parliamentary Monarchy.
10. The Netherlands - Constitutional Monarchy.

Iran will be much better with an Emperor.

These ones are monarchies only in paper; the Queen doesn't live there.

Finland is a Parliamentary Republic; The current President is Sauli Niinisto.
 
I see no chances of restoration in Iran.
 
Many people would be interested in Monarchy but Prince Reza does not speak about the return of Monarchy.
 
I think its exist when a revolution in iran is
 
It is rather strange Prince Reza does not speak about the Restoration of Monarchy.

Most heirs of Monarchies that were Abolished do that. "Its up to the people" they say. Quite frankly, it is, but yeah it is a little weird. If I was a heir to a fallen Monarchy I would be giving Lectures on how it should be brought back.

I would be like, "I dont care if its like England's Monarchy, were i'm a symbol and have barely any power, or like Saudi Arabia, were I have 100% of the power. As long as the system is back, I could care less,"
 
I see no chances of restoration in Iran.
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A monarchy in Iran, well, there was the Arab Conquest, I do not know of Iran ever having a monarchy. I looked it up. I found that: Iran has been an empire, a republic, had a golden age, and a dynasty mainly the dynasty pertains to the Muslim faith, Safavid dynasty, and I am not going to go looking all that detail up further to continue. Respectfully. They have some world cultural sites, UNESCO World Heritage for Iran .

I do not find much interest in Middle Eastern history, I appreciate it, however. It is kind of a controversial one.

Just posted here as a reference to look stuff up and learn something..
 
Many people would be interested in Monarchy but Prince Reza does not speak about the return of Monarchy.


Quoting for topic reference to learn. Ok Prince Reza, is? Oh wow, a Persian. AN actual Iranian Royal. I had to look it up. Sorry. First I have heard of the person. His son passed away. He is a pretender to the throne what that means is, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretender , a pretender is someone who lays claim to a throned position that has either been abolished, or claims entitlement to a position of honor or rank that is unavailable.

So Prince Reza is Prince Reza Pahlavi is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahlavi Someone who is not an imposter, but actually held a position and Reza Pahlavi is the founder and leader of National Council of Iran, a government in exile of Iran. *the (edit)

Says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farah_Pahlavi was his consort.

More wiki:
On his website, Reza Pahlavi has said that the state of Iran should become democratic and secular, and human rights should be respected. Whether the form of government would be that of a constitutional monarchy or a republic is something that he would like to leave up to the people of Iran.[24][25]


I do not know. But when he learned to be a pilot with the AMerican Military, it says on wiki : Shortly thereafter, at the start of the Iran–Iraq War, Reza Pahlavi, he wrote to General Valiollah Fallahi, Chief Commander of the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic, offering to fight in the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. His offer was rebuffed.[9]




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahlavi#cite_note-25
 
I believe that Thumbalina is mixing the late Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi with his son Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi.
 
There is support for the restoration of monarchy in Iran? there is some monarchical movement?
 
The chances are zero. The whole monarchy only was started by a humble servant to the Dutch Consul in Teheran whom, miraculously, after engaging into the Persian Army managed to succeed a coup d'état, to become a dictator and finally naming himself Shah.

From 1926 until 1980 there were two Shahs. So we may say that if there is any royal "dynasty" pretty poorly rooted in society and history, then it are the Pahlavis... When Jeb Bush will become President, there will have been more Bush Presidents than there where Pahlavi Shahs...
 
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The Pahlavis are not forgotten in Persia.
 
Well, this doesn't exactly mean that there are serious chances for a restoration, does it?
 
The Prince never had a son, he has three daughters. His brother, Prince Ali-Reza of Iran died in 2011.

Oh ok, said he had a son on wiki. That's the thing about wiki, it might not all be correct. Thanks for clarifying.
 
I do wonder if we would be seeing a different Iran if the Monarchy was restored? I'm thinking on how they feel about their country right now.
 
In 1979 the people of Iran voted, by referendum, for an end of the monarchy. The people most likely remembered the immense contrast between life in the major cities and the rest of the country. Between the Haves and the Have-Nots. The exorbitant, opulent and hedonistic lifestyle of the Shah and his wife (wives) did not help their imago either.

I fail to see why the people of Iran, with all this in mind, should vote for a restoration of the monarchy. By the way: there are no male heirs after the last Crown Prince, Ali Reza. So the line of succession depends on a nephew of the last Shah -Patrick Pahlavi- who was arrested and exiled by his own uncle and has no any link anymore with Iran.

The law of succession stated the Shah must profess the Islamic faith, his mother must be an Iranian citizen, a Muslim and not descended from the previous Qajar dynasty. Patrick himself is from a Roman-Catholic mother: Christiane Cholewski from France. He himself married a Christian lady, Sonia Laumann, whom coverted to Islamism. I think we can say that the short-lived Pahlavi dynasty will never return to old grandeur.
 
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In 1979 the people of Iran voted, by referendum, for an end of the monarchy. The people most likely remembered the immense contrast between life in the major cities and the rest of the country. Between the Haves and the Have-Nots. The exorbitant, opulent and hedonistic lifestyle of the Shah and his wife (wives) did not help their imago either.

I fail to see why the people of Iran, with all this in mind, should vote for a restoration of the monarchy. By the way: there are no male heirs after the last Crown Prince, Ali Reza. So the line of succession depends on a nephew of the last Shah -Patrick Pahlavi- who was arrested and exiled by his own uncle and has no any link anymore with Iran.

The law of succession stated the Shah must profess the Islamic faith, his mother must be an Iranian citizen, a Muslim and not descended from the previous Qajar dynasty. Patrick himself is from a Roman-Catholic mother: Christiane Cholewski from France. He himself married a Christian lady, Sonia Laumann, whom coverted to Islamism. I think we can say that the short-lived Pahlavi dynasty will never return to old grandeur.

I find nothing that resonates with my many Iranian friends in this post. Most of my friends parents wanted to get rid of the Shah in 78-79, and not one of them stand by that decision today.
In order for the monarchy to return, many things would have to happen, and as with everything else in the Middle East, it is hard to see the path right now. To dismiss it hovewer, without foundation, is to ignore 2500 years of monarchical history in Iran, and to underestimate the Iranian people and their ability to see what they had, what they have and what tomorrow should look like.
In 1978, the Iranians were tricked by a clever opposition, topped with their own desires for a better life.
If you could ask them freely today, if they were on a better course under the monarchy than the priest regime that followed, I wonder if the answers would surprise anyone.

Empress Farah said it best in the documentary 'the Queen and I': "Regimes come and go, but one would expect that life would be better, not worse, in a new one".
 
A question was asked earlier on this thread about why so much emphasis on the House of Pahlavi, rather than earlier dynasties. Surely the answer is just that the House of Pahlavi resonates because for many throughout the world (although conspicuously, not in Iran), the Shah's reign is in living memory.

As a traditionalist, I would prefer the return of an older dynasty should the dream of a restoration ever be realised. But that doesn't seem to be the will of those who remember the Shahs as innovators and reformers, who transformed Iran into a modern state. No one would argue that it was without it's faults, but for one monarchy to be overthrown by an autocracy veiled in theocratic or any other clothing, is a tragedy.

I too have had conversations with many Persian diaspora, most of whom fled during or shortly after the revolution. Their views are uniformly 'If only we still had the Shah, but sadly it seems almost impossible'.

On a related note, my Grandmother and her parents lived in Iran from 1934-1941. They were exiles from the National Socialist-ruled Germany and found their refuge in Iran. My Grandmother would speak of the beauty and freedom abundant in the country, the wisdom, kindness and hospitality of its people and the determination of Reza Shah to assure the independence of his people and those who sought safety within Iran's borders. She was exiled once again, thanks to the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran and was never to go back.
 
As much as the idea of resorting the monarchy of Iran appeals (as it also does for a number of other countries) to the sensibilities of many on this forum, doing so is a legal and constitutional nightmare - what for example, do you do with property that may have been sized by the state? Former presidents? Was the republican regime that has hypothetically been abolished an illegal one and if so should there be punishment for those involved?

Iran has a lot of problems but it's current political system has the means and opportunity to grow into a stongly rooted constitutional democracy as it's got something that the old Pahlavi monarchy lacks - a myth of blood sacrifice and popular mandate. Too many of the present Islamic republics critics and detractors get hung up on the Islamic part and overlook the republican elements of Iran. These republican aspects along with the fact that Iran has a long history of constitutional government, however flawed, is a strong history to build on and should not be underestimated - it's hard to see how a dyansty whose main contribution to Iranian policital culture was a fairly crude authoritarianism, however well meaning, could be merged with this. (Before you reply I am aware of the economic and social reforms that were undertaken during the white revolution)

Traditionally the Iranian monarchy drew its legitimacy from irans pagan or zororastrian traditions and later from the Shahs standing as the champion and protector of Shia islam, along with the idea of Iran as a great power. The Pahlavi's abandoned this defence for their regime and in effect relied on foreign backing and to a greater or lesser extent force and coercion (although recent research shows that there were greater levels of popular support than previously conceded). This sense of having abandoned their traditional religious role along with the perception that they were foreign puppets was a major factor in undermining the Shahs legimatcy in the eyes of a lot of people in Iran, along with other factors such as the fact that the Pahlavi's were a dyansty of recent vintage - a number of upper class Iranians saw them as illegetamte and still saw the Qajar's as the legit dyansty of Iran, including Mohammed Mossadegh who was a distant relation of theirs (it was a major source of friction between him and the shah and the main reason Mohammed Reza was willing to go along with operation Ajax in 1953). As one of MR's biographers Abbas Milani has pointed out he had no doctrine of kingship to fall back on to defend the regimes existence, along with his perceived end lack of national zeal, it's not too hard to see why those disolutioned with the shah might turn to political Islam. There is of course no reason why irans exiled dynasties, both the Pahlavi's and the Qajar's could not return to Iran one day as honoured citizens but has heads of state? I don't think so.
 
I don't think restoration is going to happen in our lifetime my friends. I'm sorry I just don't.

-Frozen Royalist
 
I don't think restoration is going to happen in our lifetime my friends. I'm sorry I just don't.

-Frozen Royalist

Why do you think So. Many Iranians were not even born in 1979.
 
Why do you think So. Many Iranians were not even born in 1979.

And since 1979 they have been brainwashed by the ayatollahs and the mullahs. Just watching newsreels with the grotesque coronation of the "King of Kings" and the absurd celebrations in Persepolis are enough to remind the Iranians about the excesses of the monarchy.

While the royal guests were amusing themselves with Moët Pommery Rosé and the finest food from the best chefs from Paris, the Shah's secret police was hunting for opposants, to treat them with barbaric methods.

The ones born after 1979 only need YouTube to see the crazy events of a son of a military coup-leader crowning himself "King of Kings" on his Peacock Throne.
 
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And since 1979 they have been brainwashed by the ayatollahs and the mullahs. Just watching newsreels with the grotesque coronation of the "King of Kings" and the absurd celebrations in Persepolis are enough to remind the Iranians about the excesses of the monarchy.

While the royal guests were amusing themselves with Moët Pommery Rosé and the finest food from the best chefs from Paris, the Shah's secret police was hunting for opposants, to treat them with barbaric methods.

The ones born after 1979 only need YouTube to see the crazy events of a son of a military coup-leader crowning himself "King of Kings" on his Peacock Throne.

It is very hard to know how the young Iranians think about the Imperial Family because there is no possibility to have a poll or to discuss freely with the people from abroad.
 
I never think we will see a monarchy fully restored. Romania seems the closest. But Iran is like France, in if you are going to restore a monarchy, which monarchy do you restore? Do you restore the original monarchy? Or do you restore the military formed one?

The shah of Iran's family is certainly not the only claimants to a Persian throne. Like the Bonapartist claim to the throne of France, they are a military dictatorship who crowned themselves. There was a previous dynasty, the Qajar dynasty which was over thrown. And as far as I am aware, there are living members of the dynasty alive.

But Iran seems the furthest country away from ever restoring a monarchy. Its not simply the matter of 'we are a republic, why do we need a king/shah again?'. Iran has been ruled by religion for decades now, religion that has taught people the crimes of excess and luxuries. The thought such a country would restore a monarchy, which for most a monarchy embodies those, seems laughable IMO.

It certainly doesn't help that the word shah has the negative connotation of American control in its history.
 
HIM the Shahbanou has 'tweeted' a message of support to the brave protesters who have taken to the Streets against the oppressive and brutal Theocracy in the last three days.
 
When Sayef al-Khadaffi, the son of the killed Libyan leader (originally a military coup leader) crowns himself "King of Kings" then he is effectively in the same position as the late Shah. Both Sayef as the late Shah are then sons of colonels who seized power after a coup d'état. Food for thought.
 
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I never think we will see a monarchy fully restored. Romania seems the closest. But Iran is like France, in if you are going to restore a monarchy, which monarchy do you restore? Do you restore the original monarchy? Or do you restore the military formed one?

The shah of Iran's family is certainly not the only claimants to a Persian throne. Like the Bonapartist claim to the throne of France, they are a military dictatorship who crowned themselves. There was a previous dynasty, the Qajar dynasty which was over thrown. And as far as I am aware, there are living members of the dynasty alive.

But Iran seems the furthest country away from ever restoring a monarchy. Its not simply the matter of 'we are a republic, why do we need a king/shah again?'. Iran has been ruled by religion for decades now, religion that has taught people the crimes of excess and luxuries. The thought such a country would restore a monarchy, which for most a monarchy embodies those, seems laughable IMO.

It certainly doesn't help that the word shah has the negative connotation of American control in its history.


That's actress Sarah Shahi's family isn't it ?
 
I never think we will see a monarchy fully restored. Romania seems the closest. But Iran is like France, in if you are going to restore a monarchy, which monarchy do you restore? Do you restore the original monarchy? Or do you restore the military formed one?

The shah of Iran's family is certainly not the only claimants to a Persian throne. Like the Bonapartist claim to the throne of France, they are a military dictatorship who crowned themselves. There was a previous dynasty, the Qajar dynasty which was over thrown. And as far as I am aware, there are living members of the dynasty alive.

But Iran seems the furthest country away from ever restoring a monarchy. Its not simply the matter of 'we are a republic, why do we need a king/shah again?'. Iran has been ruled by religion for decades now, religion that has taught people the crimes of excess and luxuries. The thought such a country would restore a monarchy, which for most a monarchy embodies those, seems laughable IMO.

It certainly doesn't help that the word shah has the negative connotation of American control in its history.[/QUOTE

The Quadjars are less known I suppose in nowadays Iran than the Pahlavis and Reza Shah married some Quadjar Princesses too.
 
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