Reza and Yasmin Pahlavi: Current Events Part 1

[Toledo]

She is quite a beautiful woman and in great shape after so many pregnancies. Whatever Princess Yasmine wears is tame compared to pictures we've seen of people like the german Princess Bismark and her 'outfits'.

Yasmine and Reza do make a glamorous couple. But what would happen if they ever return to their country since they don't have a boy yet? I think it will be like the situation in Japan all over again.

[Iwona]

Originally Posted by snow

there are millions of successful intelligent beautiful rich and generous women in the world but very few are fit to be a queen! so you better keep on dreaming! your reaction reduced the point of the argument. however i still insist that one does not gain regal grandour by possesing the qualities you had mentioned in your comment...GRACE is a quality that can not be bought nor gained by marrying into high society, one must be born with it...

She is very successful woman, and has many capabilies, I don't know why you hate her so much. There's a little hope for her to become queen of Iran! and I haven't heard that she has such a tendency! she is only an iranian princess who lives in exile. This is a dream that they take the throne again. I think you are dreaming!
Also she is competent to cp Maxima, Laurentine and letizia who are commoners married to royal families. I don't know how you are sure that she lacks grace and elegance and so on! she had something attractive that made Reza to marry her, he loves her that's enough.
Anyways she is happy and enjoys her life with her nice children and don't care if she is queen or not!!!

[snow]

Originally Posted by Iwona

She is very successful woman, and has many capabilies, I don't know why you hate her so much. There's a little hope for her to become queen of Iran! and I haven't heard that she has such a tendency! she is only an iranian princess who lives in exile. This is a dream that they take the throne again. I think you are dreaming!
Also she is competent to cp Maxima, Laurentine and letizia who are commoners married to royal families. I don't know how you are sure that she lacks grace and elegance and so on! she had something attractive that made Reza to marry her, he loves her that's enough.
Anyways she is happy and enjoys her life with her nice children and don't care if she is queen or not!!!

I must begin by apologising! It was foolish of me to compare our diminutive princess with the likes of Queens Noor, Rania, Farah etc. She is not even in the same league as they are!
I need to clarify several things:
1. I am not judging Yasmine on her looks, but the way she behaves in public and at interviews
2. I do not hate her, indeed when she first became the wife of Prince Reza we all were ready to love and respect her - unfortunately she has not earned our respect. In the few interviews that she has given she has shown no depth of character, and no empathy for the country of which she claims to be the princess and the country whose wealth (albeit in exile) she so readily enjoys.
3. As for being educated, so what? The world is littered with educated people, but very few queens! Education does not give one culture.
4. My claims that she has no grace and elegance are based on comparing her (and quite rightly too) to other royal first ladies. She seems not to understand that she is representing a nation and that the titles she carries also have some responsibilities.
5. I cannot respect her as a queen or princess because there are far better representatives out there doing a damn sight better job of it than she is. I could refer you to her interviews with Point de Vue, where she repeatedly states that she and her children come first and her husband has not expectations from her being a consort. Why not? What an absolute waste!!

Lastly you keep saying she was brought up in the USA. What does that mean? Are you trying to say that she is liberal because she was not brought up in her own country? Do you think being modern and forward thinking is all about showing a bit of cleavage? Women in Iran are fighting daily for their freedom of expression and human rights, and we have glorious examples such as Shirin Ebadi (Nobel Peace Laureate) of what women in Iran are achieving. Princess Yasmine is PRINCESS because she married the heir to the throne of Iran, I feel it is her duty to do the women of her nation justice by showing empathy and solidarity for their plight, instead of wearing tatty clothes and giving empty interviews. Iran does not need her or her husband, it is they who use the Royal titles of Iran and therefore they owe something back to Iran and the Iranians. In the last 20 years she has failed time and time again to show any empathy for her country or the plight of the people. I am afraid it takes more than attending royal weddings in cheap revealing clothes and selling empty interviews to glossy magazines to become a sovereign. One gets sick of it after a while.
We have all been brought up abroad, but it is only the rootless who forget their origins. Queen Noor has a Swedish mother, Queen Soraya was half German...all these ladies enjoyed a worlwide fame and respect on a scale that Princess Yasmine could not even dream of....Whether Princess Yasmine will ever achieve this remains to be seen.

[Iwona]

Originally Posted by snow

I must begin by apologising! It was foolish of me to compare our diminutive princess with the likes of Queens Noor, Rania, Farah etc. She is not even in the same league as they are!
I need to clarify several things:
1. I am not judging Yasmine on her looks, but the way she behaves in public and at interviews
2. I do not hate her, indeed when she first became the wife of Prince Reza we all were ready to love and respect her - unfortunately she has not earned our respect. In the few interviews that she has given she has shown no depth of character, and no empathy for the country of which she claims to be the princess and the country whose wealth (albeit in exile) she so readily enjoys.
3. As for being educated, so what? The world is littered with educated people, but very few queens! Education does not give one culture.
4. My claims that she has no grace and elegance are based on comparing her (and quite rightly too) to other royal first ladies. She seems not to understand that she is representing a nation and that the titles she carries also have some responsibilities.
5. I cannot respect her as a queen or princess because there are far better representatives out there doing a damn sight better job of it than she is. I could refer you to her interviews with Point de Vue, where she repeatedly states that she and her children come first and her husband has not expectations from her being a consort. Why not? What an absolute waste!!

Lastly you keep saying she was brought up in the USA. What does that mean? Are you trying to say that she is liberal because she was not brought up in her own country? Do you think being modern and forward thinking is all about showing a bit of cleavage? Women in Iran are fighting daily for their freedom of expression and human rights, and we have glorious examples such as Shirin Ebadi (Nobel Peace Laureate) of what women in Iran are achieving. Princess Yasmine is PRINCESS because she married the heir to the throne of Iran, I feel it is her duty to do the women of her nation justice by showing empathy and solidarity for their plight, instead of wearing tatty clothes and giving empty interviews. Iran does not need her or her husband, it is they who use the Royal titles of Iran and therefore they owe something back to Iran and the Iranians. In the last 20 years she has failed time and time again to show any empathy for her country or the plight of the people. I am afraid it takes more than attending royal weddings in cheap revealing clothes and selling empty interviews to glossy magazines to become a sovereign. One gets sick of it after a while.
We have all been brought up abroad, but it is only the rootless who forget their origins. Queen Noor has a Swedish mother, Queen Soraya was half German...all these ladies enjoyed a worlwide fame and respect on a scale that Princess Yasmine could not even dream of....Whether Princess Yasmine will ever achieve this remains to be seen.

1.I don't know what queen Noor has done for Jordan that has made you appreciate her so much!!!!

2.Pahlavi's reigning has been overthrown by people.So how do you expect them to do something for them? it's not logical to work on human rights for the people who don't want you!!

3. They are royal family and have prince/ss title, because their ancestors were king. But now they are not regning and therefore are not representatives of Iran, i.e. all media call Farah as ex-Kaiserin!!
look at Greece royal family, what do they do for their country which has thrown them out? They live in other countries, but have charitable foundation, like exactly what Yasmin pahlavi does, yes she has charity works, is it not enough to show somebody cares about people?!!!
Anyways if now they are connected to the royal families of Europe, it's because of their old freindships, and has nothing to do with name of Iran.

4. Royal families of Europe are not supposed to have political idea, and should not get involved with politics. They are only symbols of the country to keep people united. How do you expect Yasmin to fight for iranian women while other princesses like Maxima does only charity works, and princess Mary's only job is promoting the danish designers by attending the fashion shows. Also Princess Letizia has not done yet anything, but hanging on his man's arm. These princesses belong to the regining families and I am not talking about those who are in exile.

5. Reza has followed the same policy as European family and does not involve himself with politics. Anyways if there are some problem in Iranian community, why don't the political people go ahead? there are many Iranian all around the world.

6. About prince Soraya, I haven't heard that she had done anything for her country after divorce ( However in the movie of Soraya I didn't see a strong personality in her to be qualified as a queen). As I heard she was party-fan and had many relationships. So I don't think she is a good representative for a moslim country.
7. Yes, Yasmin was brought up in the US and should not live and act as an traditional woman. Of course she can show her body like what other women in western country do. Or you expect her to have Hedjab?!!! Rania also shows her body and she is from religouse country! Perhaps you haven't seen her photos!!!!

[Laraib]

Originally Posted by snow

because yasmine pahlavi dresses like a SEX KITTEN not a princess. have you ever seen the wife of any other crown prince to dress as cheaply as she does! she was the first royal woman to show off her tummy in a transparent blue dress which she wore on prince pavlos and marie chantal's wedding, as far as i can remeber she has never got it right when it comes to royal protocol.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether you're raised in U.S or China, you being a Muslim, Jew, Christian etc. should determine your character and values. I don't mean only religon should outline your character, but I mean anything you value. Let it be family etc. Yasmine clothes represent her in a uncivial manner for a PRINCESS, not a Muslim, although that's another thread. It's sad that to fit in U.S social circle, Yasmine feels the need to take off her clothes, along with her character and grace. Elegent clothes don't neccessarlily make the PERSON elegent or glamorous. Just because other royal arab women have chosen to dress that way, doesn't make the way right.I agree with you Snow, 100%! :)

[Iwona]

Originally Posted by Laraib

I couldn't have said it better myself.
Furthermore, it doesn't matter whether you're raised in U.S or China, you being a Muslim, Jew, Christian etc. should determine your character and values. I don't mean only religon should outline your character, but I mean anything you value. Let it be family etc. Yasmine clothes represent her in a uncivial manner for a PRINCESS, not a Muslim, although that's another thread. It's sad that to fit in U.S social circle, Yasmine feels the need to take off her clothes, along with her character and grace. Elegent clothes don't neccessarlily make the PERSON elegent or glamorous. Just because other royal arab women have chosen to dress that way, doesn't make the way right.I agree with you Snow, 100%! :)

In most cases she dresses like other European crown princesses. I don't know what is your problem with her dresses, let show us some picture as evidence of your comments. She bothers you because she is young, beautiful, chic and elegant and really comparable with european people.But I guess why you are trying to put her down.Perhaps you can't afford buying glamourous dresses, that is what bothers you!!!

[Iwona]

Anyways if she read this nonsense things you wrote, perhaps she laugh and say why these people discuss that much about dress!!!! She does not care about these old thought and judgments.

[Laraib]

Originally Posted by Iwona

In most cases she dresses like other European crown princesses. I don't know what is your problem with her dresses, let show us some picture as evidence of your comments. She bothers you because she is young, beautiful, chic and elegant and really comparable with european people.But I guess why you are trying to put her down.Perhaps you can't afford buying glamourous dresses, that is what bothers you!!!

WOW!

First of, my response was not meant for you only, it was NOT a personal attack, however YOU have chosen to take it WAAAY to personally.

Second of, I don't have a problem with her. Is it OK to submit my opinion?
What evidence would you like? We ALL were commenting on pictures of her submiited by another forum member, and EVERYONE knows that's not the only time she has chosen such attire.

Lastly, your comment "Perhaps you can't afford buying glamourous dresses, that is what bother you!!!" is very offending. Iam not going to start a war here, but let me remind you, this is a forum where we discuss our OPINIONS. Attacks such as this are not neccessary. I said that about Yasmine and you blew up, perhaps you should get to know me and then write what I can and cannot afford.

[Iwona]

What I have seen in photos, don't seem to be strange, cheap or something else that you meant. She dresses very normal in European criteria. But perhaps in some cultures wearing sleevless dresses or short skirt is going beyond the red lines. You don't say your opinions clearly and just write very general.What exactly bother you ? we are not going to discuss about cultural taboos, but at least we should be clear.

[snow]

Originally Posted by Iwona

1.I don't know what queen Noor has done for Jordan that has made you appreciate her so much!!!!

2.Pahlavi's reigning has been overthrown by people.So how do you expect them to do something for them? it's not logical to work on human rights for the people who don't want you!!

3. They are royal family and have prince/ss title, because their ancestors were king. But now they are not regning and therefore are not representatives of Iran, i.e. all media call Farah as ex-Kaiserin!!
look at Greece royal family, what do they do for their country which has thrown them out? They live in other countries, but have charitable foundation, like exactly what Yasmin pahlavi does, yes she has charity works, is it not enough to show somebody cares about people?!!!
Anyways if now they are connected to the royal families of Europe, it's because of their old freindships, and has nothing to do with name of Iran.

4. Royal families of Europe are not supposed to have political idea, and should not get involved with politics. They are only symbols of the country to keep people united. How do you expect Yasmin to fight for iranian women while other princesses like Maxima does only charity works, and princess Mary's only job is promoting the danish designers by attending the fashion shows. Also Princess Letizia has not done yet anything, but hanging on his man's arm. These princesses belong to the regining families and I am not talking about those who are in exile.

5. Reza has followed the same policy as European family and does not involve himself with politics. Anyways if there are some problem in Iranian community, why don't the political people go ahead? there are many Iranian all around the world.

6. About prince Soraya, I haven't heard that she had done anything for her country after divorce ( However in the movie of Soraya I didn't see a strong personality in her to be qualified as a queen). As I heard she was party-fan and had many relationships. So I don't think she is a good representative for a moslim country.
7. Yes, Yasmin was brought up in the US and should not live and act as an traditional woman. Of course she can show her body like what other women in western country do. Or you expect her to have Hedjab?!!! Rania also shows her body and she is from religouse country! Perhaps you haven't seen her photos!!!!

well, lets just agree to disagree. My opinion remains UNCHANGED, but here is a sobering thought for you: Neither of our opinions matter, IF she proves herself worthy history will be the final judge!

[Iwona]

I don't know why you judge only Yasmin? why don't you say your opinions about other members of pahlavi family? sisters, borthers... what do you expect from her? be an angel of freedom ? or become mother Tresa? so what? You have stuck to her, and it shows that she has something worthy that you envy. Yes she is commoner who married to a royal and does much more than other members of the royal family. She has a great luck to be rich, happy and educated and that make some people to be jealous of her. You know nothing about her, the only thing you have seen is her photos which you judge with your old thought and infer that she lacks personality and culture because she doesn't dress with your critera and taste!! so with your way of judgment, princess Laurntine of netherland, princess Mary of Denmark and princees Maddlaine of Sweden are shallow minded and have personality disorder because they dress unusual or have photos with bikini in beach!!!! It's dumb. Not everybody think and judge like you. Just look to other aristocrates of Europe, you'll find her value, at least she has much more than Camilla!

[Laraib]

Originally Posted by Iwona

What I have seen in photos, don't seem to be strange, cheap or something else that you meant. She dresses very normal in European criteria. But perhaps in some cultures wearing sleevless dresses or short skirt is going beyond the red lines. You don't say your opinions clearly and just write very general.What exactly bother you ? we are not going to discuss about cultural taboos, but at least we should be clear.

Well maybe it's not strange to you, but do you see ME accusing you that you have bad taste? Furthermore, she dresses very nomal in European criteria? Iam sorry but is a EUROPEAN princess???? Didn't think so.
The reason why I don't state that the written above are my opinions, but I assumed that this was a thread to post your opinions, and anyway you can't mistake my posts for facts.

[Alexandria]

Let's calm down in this thread. There are increasing personal attacks in this thread -- which is against our Forum Posting Rules & Guidelines -- that have been removed to prevent further disputes.

There is no need to attack other members because you don't agree with their feelings. There are more diplomatic ways to disagree with each other.

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[Laraib]

Are there any new pictures of the family or the daughters? Thanks.:)

[snow]

sorry! 3rd of january 2006!

[Laraib]

What does the couple do in their spare time? Thanks.:)

[snow]

Originally Posted by Laraib

What does the couple do in their spare time? Thanks.:)

according to themselves yasmine works as a lawyer and reza pursues his political activities to unite iranians towards a democratic iran.yasmine graduated as a lawyer from george washington university in 1998 and before that she had gained a BA in political science from the same university in 1991, she also heads the activity for a charity organization called "the foundation for the children of iran".

[Laraib]

Originally Posted by snow

according to themselves yasmine works as a lawyer and reza pursues his political activities to unite iranians towards a democratic iran.yasmine graduated as a lawyer from george washington university in 1998 and before that she had gained a BA in political science from the same university in 1991, she also heads the activity for a charity organization called "the foundation for the children of iran".

Thanks.:)
So she is practises law? What kind of a lawyer is she? I've heard they live in California, is it true? What about their daughters? What are they up to? Thanks.:)

[snow]

she works as a supervising attorney in a law firm based in washington, they reside in virginia, she delas with domestic law helping battered women and children, like finding foster parents for a neglected child and etc... their daughters are ,i presume like any other children their age attending school.