Royal House of Saxony (Wettin)

[Marengo]

Not an agreement that I know of. But indeed many German royals left for South America, even before WII. My guess is that wanted to make a fortune or live a life that they wre used to, with servants et all, which was not possible in Germany anymore. Especially during the years between the wars the former german royals werent treated very nicely. I exchanged information about the brother of Barbara of Mecklenburg (nee Prussia) ith Arturo Beehche on one of the royalty forums some years ago, but sadly I lost that information due to computer failure. He seems to have known the Prince who lived in Costa Rica (could also be Barbara's parents btw). You could try to contact him on his website: EuroHistory.com

[Benjamin]

An interview with Prince Alexander von Sachsen Gessaphe
Alexander Prinz von Sachsen

[Harold]

Schloss Wochwitz was the Wettin home in Dresden up to 1945. They were trying to get it back. I thought the matter was still in the courts, but I read on a website today that the case was closed and they lost. Is this true?

[Opal2Amber]

Hello

Not a lot has been heard about the whereabouts and activities of Prince Rüdiger since his divorce from Diana and his subsequent advertising appeal for a new Royal lady. Was this for real?

Has anyone got an update on this and his other current activities / public appearances please? What passionate projects is he currently involved with?

Does anyone also know where one may post official correspondence to him?
Thank you in advance.

Opal2Amber

[Benjamin]

Hi Opal2Amber,

I'm afraid that I can answer only the first question.

Yes, it was reported that Rüdiger Prinz von Sachsen was advertising for a spouse of royal blood. It is quite unlikely he'll find one. My guesses as to why: his previous criminal record (he served time in jail for tax evasion), the suicide of his first wife, and now this divorce from his second wife (a marriage that lasted a year).

[Benjamin]

Photograph of the Margrave and Margravine of Meißen: [img=http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2930/margravemariaemanuel1td1.th.jpg]

[windsorbrides1]

A little bit of history on the night after the famous moment:

Prince Frederick III, Elector of Saxony was the Prince that was patron and protectorate of Martin Luther. Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the Wittenberg church on October 31, 1517.

[sinulord]

Why can't the Margrave declare Rudiger, Prinz von Sachsen his heir since he is a Saxon prince in the male line, though morganatic. I mean Alexander is a Lebanese for goodness' sake.

[Warren]

Rudiger has a somewhat chequered past and has proved to be "unfortunate" in his marriages. Alexander Saxe-Gessaphe is at least "respectable" and has a wife of impeccable ancestry, her father being a Wittelsbach and her mother an Archduchess of Austria (Tuscany).

The great tragedy of the modern Saxon House was the death of the intended heir, Prince Johannes of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, who died at the age of 17 or 18 in 1987.

[sinulord]

Originally Posted by Warren

Rudiger has a somewhat chequered past and has proved to be "unfortunate" in his marriages. Alexander Saxe-Gessaphe is at least "respectable" and has a wife of impeccable ancestry, her father being a Wittelsbach and her mother an Archduchess of Austria (Tuscany).

The great tragedy of the modern Saxon House was the death of the intended heir, Prince Johannes of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, who died at the age of 17 or 18 in 1987.

Well my point Warren is that bloodline is bloodline and whether one is repectable and has fortunate marriages or not is another matter altogether. I also believe that there are several existing lines of the House of Wettin who could inherit the Saxony headship and titular throne. I think he's decision is unreasonable. But then again, these opinions dont matter to the Margrave, he solely decides, isnt it?

[Harold]

Hello. I remain curious about the fate of Schloss Wachwitz. I don't think the Wettins were able to recover it, were they? Was that a big disappointment to them since that was their main residence before 1945 - or at least I think it was. Did the family recover any of their homes in Saxony?

[Jason R Maier esq]

Originally Posted by sinulord

Well my point Warren is that bloodline is bloodline and whether one is respectable and has fortunate marriages or not is another matter altogether. I also believe that there are several existing lines of the House of Wettin who could inherit the Saxony headship and titular throne. I think he's decision is unreasonable. But then again, these opinions don't matter to the Margrave, he solely decides, isn't it?

You are right, there are other existing lines of the House of Wettin (a.k.a. the Saxon duchies) that could inherit the Saxony leadership.

And as far as deciding who the heir is, I believe the Margrave does have the final decision, but the other male dynasts do have to give their approval (in this case, Prince Albert and Prince Dedo).

It should be interesting to see who inherits leadership of the Saxon royal house after Maria Emanuel's death.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Jason R Maier esq

You are right, there are other existing lines of the House of Wettin (a.k.a. the Saxon duchies) that could inherit the Saxony leadership.

And as far as deciding who the heir is, I believe the Margrave does have the final decision, but the other male dynasts do have to give their approval (in this case, Prince Albert and Prince Dedo).

It should be interesting to see who inherits leadership of the Saxon royal house after Maria Emanuel's death.

It was decided in a Family Council a few years ago that Alexander should be the Heir. Also Alberto, Gero and Dedo gave their consent then. Albert has now changed his mind.

[A Friend]

Hello,

Yesterday (15th April 2008), Princess XENIA von Sachsen and the Croatian party girl DAVORKA TOVILO appeared in the (German-language) talk show "OLIVER GEISSEN" ("Blitzlichtgewitter - Ich will reich und berühmt sein"). XENIA's appearance begins at the 26th minute.

Here you can watch the show:

Oli Geissen online sehen - Die Oliver Geissen Show als Video bei RTLnow.de

Enjoy and many greetings, :)

A Friend

[Marengo]

I suppose this is the granddaughter of Prince Timo? Since he married morganatically AND Xenia is the daughter of Timo's daughter Iris, so this certainly is not a title (though germany doesn't know any titles anymore), she just has the lastname 'Prinzessin von Sachsen.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I suppose this is the granddaughter of Prince Timo? Since he married morganatically AND Xenia is the daughter of Timo's daughter Iris, so this certainly is not a title (though germany doesn't know any titles anymore), she just has the lastname 'Prinzessin von Sachsen.

Yes, that surely was Xenia Prinzessin von Sachsen. I have no problem with morganatic marriages, as I believe in a democracy there is no such thing as a morganatic marriage. Thus Iris von Sachsen is in my mind a full member fo the ex-Royal family. But IMHO her illegitimate daughter from an unknown father should not try to make money out of the use of a former title which would never be hers if Saxony was still a monarchy. It has something to do with style, I think. IMHO Xenia should call herself Xenia Sachsen and that's that.

[A Friend]

The Princess and the Frog :)

Hi,

I have found a (German-language) article according to which XENIA von Sachsen uses her popularity to remind us of the fact that frogs and other amphibians are very endangered today:

http://www.lizzy-online.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=12364&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

I * LOVE * amphibians and reptiles very much, and I think it is not only birds and mammals (such as polar bears, seals, whales, etc.), but also amphibians, reptiles, fish, insects, spiders, molluscs, in short, all the other animals with no feathers or fur that need and deserve protection.

But it seems that to most prominent "enviromentalists," such animals do not bring enough publictiy. Therefore, I am happy that XENIA is speaking for the "forgotten" animals, and I hope others will follow her example.

Many greetings, :)

A Friend

[Alison20]

I am very ignorant about the Royal House of Saxony, although I believe the last King was Friedrich August III. Presumably the current Head of the Royal House is his grandson, Maria Emanuel, Markgraf of Meissen, who I believe is married to Pss Anastasia of Anhalt-Dessau. Do they have no children? Where does Alexander come in? If he is a nephew, then presumably he is the son of the Markgraf's brother. Is that the Albert that is mentioned? If so, who is he married to, and why name him as heir rather than Albert himself?

Just to add to this flurry of questions - where do Dedo and Timo fit in? Are they also brothers of the Markgraf?

Many thanks, if someone can put me right on this.

[Marengo]

Markgraf Maria Emmanuel and his wife have no children indeed, neither has his brother Albert. Prince Alexander of Saxony-Gessaphe is the son of the Markgrafs sister, princess Maria Anna of Saxony and Roberto de Afif (I believe he was of Christian Lebanese nobility or royalty, related to an emir).

Anyway, since the other male dynasts of the house of Saxony all married morganatically they forfeited their rights and Maria Emmanuel decided to name his nephew Alexander as his heir. Prince Alexander is married to Princess Gisela of Bavaria and the couple have 3 sons and 1 daughter.

The decision of the markgrave is not generally exepted btw, his brother Prince Albert said that he did not consider it binding and that he would prefer Prince Rüdiger of Saxony as the heir. Since Rüdiger was a son of Prince Timo and a commoner wife, this would require a retroactive "de-morganatization of Rüdiger.

Prince Timo and Prince Dedo were sons of Prince Ernst Heinrich of Saxony and Princess Sophie of Luxembourg, they were cousins Maria-Emmanuel (their fathers were brothers).

Another issue is if the marriage of Princess Maria Anna to Roberto Gessaphe was or was not an equal one. Some consider it a morganatic marriage too.

I believe most other German royals support (or do not oppose) the Markgrave in this matter btw.

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Perhaps some German members know more about the matter and will be able to explain it more clearly though.

[Stefan]

First the designed heir of Maria Emanuel was another nephews Johannes of saxe-Coburg and Gotha (the son of his siter Mathilde), but he died in an accident in 1987.