Royal House of Saxony (Wettin)

Fürstin Taxis · May 11, 2011

fhh0 · May 17, 2011

An unknown Royal member of the House of Saxony

The attached picture (note rings) was given to my wife's grandfather by a member of the House of Saxony. Can anyone identify the woman? The rings?

Grandduchess24 · Nov 20, 2011

Is the house of saxony a deposed royal family? And another thing I don't understand why princess Xenia of saxony,duchess to saxony isn't married,I propose she possibly marry prince Amadeo of Belgium .good match?

fearghas · Nov 21, 2011

Grandduchess24 said:
Is the house of saxony a deposed royal family? And another thing I don't understand why princess Xenia of saxony,duchess to saxony isn't married,I propose she possibly marry prince Amadeo of Belgium .good match?

Firstly they were yje former Kings of Saxony, a Kingdom in Germany, with its capitol at Dresdon.They family were well known for their patronage of art and architecure. Dresdon was considered one of the most beautiful cities in Europe before the second world war when much of it was destroyed by bombing by the Allies. Dresdon is also famous for its fine chihna and poreclain.

Xenia is not a Prinncess, technically nor is her mother as her parents marriage was not approved by the head of the family. In my opinion she would not make a good match for Amadeo, not just because of her parentage but she seems, from what little I have read and seen, to be a publicity grabbing user.

Kit · Nov 22, 2011

MAfan said:
She is not Princess Xenia of Saxony, but Xenia von Sachsen, where "von Sachsen" is merely her surname, not part of a title.
Both Xenia and her sister Xandra took their surname from their mother, Iris Prinzessin von Sachsen (morganatic daughter of Prince Timo of Saxony), who was unmarried both times when her daughters were born (Xenia was born after Iris' second divorce and before her third marriage, and Xandra after Iris' third divorce and before her fourth marriage).

That is entirely correct and very well written. Xenia is not a real princess and I might add she is definitely a publicity grabbing girl who claims to be a senior royal with connections to all the royal families which she is most certainly NOT.
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Seraphine · Nov 23, 2011

Anyway her correct german surname is Prinzessin von Sachsen and not only von Sachsen.

She might not be a real princess, but she is at least a real member of that family. That is a big difference to those adobted royals and nobles in the german newspapers and magazines.

Her unprincely behaviour is part of another discussion.

Marc23 · Nov 23, 2011

To be correct,as her father is Theo Clevan,she is technically not a member of this family as she adopted the surname of her mother,who is a member of the Wettin family as a descendant from the morganatic branch...

Seraphine · Nov 23, 2011

In Germany all people are free to choose wether their mother's or their father's surname and for my maternal grandparents I'am a member of their family.
Sure, the Gotha restrictions are much tighter but Gotha is not over but under German law.

Kit · Nov 23, 2011

A member of the family she is although we don't know if the main branch of the Wettins even has contact or respects the morganatic branch of Xenia's mother.....

Marc23 · Nov 23, 2011

Seraphine said:
In Germany all people are free to choose wether their mother's or their father's surname and for my maternal grandparents I'am a member of their family.
Sure, the Gotha restrictions are much tighter but Gotha is not over but under German law.

I am not saying that she is not member of her family,considered family with her relatives etc.,but she is not a member of the dynasty of Saxony...

For example,daughter of Princess Margaret,Lady Sarah Chatto is considered a family,but she is not a member of Wettin dynasty while her mother is/was...simple!

Kataryn · Nov 24, 2011

The Wettins have really different sorrows than to discuss Xenia. At the moment the Head of the House, the Margrave of Meissen, as well as the other agnats from equal marriages have no male offspring. Thus the Margrave of Meissen adopted his sister's son. But there's still prince Rüdiger, the son of prince Timo from his morganatic marriage. He is now one of the last of the Wettins of Saxony in the male blood-line. Plus he has thee sons from legitimate marriages. It is not yet clear who will inherit the position of the Head of the House - the adopted son of a Wettin-princess or the morganatic male-line descendant.But if Rüdiger inherits, then Xenia will be the niece of the Head of the House of Wettin-Saxony.

As to the question of who will inherit: obviously there is a dispute between the current Head of the House and his brother Albert. If the Margrave of Meissen dies before his brother, this brother will inherit. prince Albert already announced that in this case he will "de-morganise" (right word?) the marriage of prince Timo, thus officially acknowledge prince Rüdiger as his legal heir. But if prince Albert dies before his brother The Margrave, then the Margrave won't acknowledge Rüdiger. This would mean that the House dies out in the male-line and the female line will inherit: the son of his sister, who has already been adopted by the Margrave.

So it's: let's wait and see.

Kataryn · Nov 24, 2011

Kit said:
A member of the family she is although we don't know if the main branch of the Wettins even has contact or respects the morganatic branch of Xenia's mother.....

Yes, they have contact. Not with Iris, but with her brother Rüdiger. See my post above.

Stefan · Nov 24, 2011

Kataryn said:
As to the question of who will inherit: obviously there is a dispute between the current Head of the House and his brother Albert...

In the 1990's there was a Family agreement where the Prince's Albert, Dedo and Gero (the last 2 have now passed away) agrred that the Margrave adopts his nephew Alexander and he becomes his Heir. Nut in the meantime Prince Albert has changed his phews and now supports Prince Rüdiger. But none of Rüdiger's sons is married equal and he is also not.
But Alexander is married equal to Princess Gisela of Bavaria and has 3 sons and a daughter.

Kataryn · Nov 24, 2011

We know from the Bavarian Royal House that if need be, unequal marriages can be declared equal. Albert, his brothers and some other Wettin-descendants have after 2000 changed their opinion and accepted Rüdiger in their fold.

And it's opinion against opinion what is an equal marriage: the Gessaphe-branch are descended from a man who claims to be of oriental Libanese Royalty... For Albert, a prince of Saxony as in Timo is obviously the better male ancestor. Notwithstanding who the mother is. Which is an acceptable point of view, IMHO. The basic idea behind the upheaval of the Wettin princes and princesses against the Margrave was that as there two possibilities for the Headship and both somehow flawed, the family should decide together and not only the Margrave himself.

BTW: if it is decided that neither Rüdiger nor Alexander are born from an equal marriage, Alexander prince of Hohenzollern would be the next in line. His great-grandmother was a princess of Saxony, his father is married for the second time unequally but he himself is descended from an equal marriage and he is as yet unmarried.

Warren · Nov 24, 2011

Kataryn said:
BTW: if it is decided that neither Rüdiger nor Alexander are born from an equal marriage, Alexander prince of Hohenzollern would be the next in line.

Friedrich August III, King of Saxony > Margarete > Friedrich Wilhelm, Fürst von Hohenzollern > Fürst Karl Friedrich > Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern (b 1987)

Kataryn · Nov 24, 2011

Warren said:
Friedrich August III, King of Saxony > Margarete > Friedrich Wilhelm, Fürst von Hohenzollern > Fürst Karl Friedrich > Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern (b 1987)

Thank you Warren for making that line more visible. :flowers:

Benjamin · Mar 15, 2012

Princess Maria Anna of Saxony (b.1929) died on March 13.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2012/03/death-of-princess-maria-anna-of-saxony.html?m=1

MAfan · Mar 15, 2012

She was one of the sisters of the Margrave of Meissen. Her elder son Alexander de Afif, now Prince Alexander of Saxe-Gessaphe, is the successor to his uncle the Margrave of Meissen to the headshiop of the Royal Family.

KittyAtlanta · Mar 15, 2012

Princess Maria Anna was certainly beautiful and looks as though she would be fun and nice to be around. RIP

Benjamin · Mar 16, 2012

Obituary of Princess Maria Anna:
Eurohistory: + Princess Maria Anna of Saxony (1929-2012)

Biri · Jul 24, 2012

Death of the Margrave of Meissen, Head of the Royal House

Royal Arms of Saxony

A copy from Netty's Royalty Page Royal News July:

Maria Emanuel Margrave von Meissen,
Head of the Royal House of Saxony, died on 23 July 2012
at his house in La Tour de Peilz, Switzerland.

He was born in Prufening on 31 January 1926, the eldest child of Crown Prince Friedrich Christian of Saxony (1893-1968) and his wife Princess Elisabeth Helene von Thurn und Taxis (1903-1976).

He married civilly in La Tour de Peilz on 22 June 1962, and religiously in Vevey on 31 January 1963 Princess Anastasia von Anhalt (b.1940). The couple didn't have any children.

It was originally planned that Prince Johannes (b 1969), son of the Margrave's youngest sister Princess Mathilde and her husband Prince Johannes Heinrich of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, would become the heir of Saxony but he tragically died in an accident in 1987.

Prince Alexander (Alexander de Afif, "Prince von Sachsen-Gesaphe", b.1954), the eldest son of the Margrave's sister Princess Maria Anna (who died on 13 March this year) will be the new head of the family.

The remaining siblings are: Maria Josepha (b.1928), Albert (b.1934) and Mathilde (b.1936).

Harold · Jul 25, 2012

The Margrave of Meissen has died.

Royal Musings: Royal Death: the Margrave of Meissen

Kataryn · Jul 25, 2012

As the Margrave died without legitimate issue (he only had an adopted son)., his younger brother should inherit the Headship of the House of Wettin. If not, it makes no sense to use these titles anymore.

Marengo · Jul 25, 2012

Marlene's article states that he has already been suceeded as head of the house by his nephew Alexander.

Kataryn · Jul 25, 2012

Yes, the article states that. And that's what the late Margrave wanted. But the House Laws are not condoning that. They say that as long as male dynasts of the family live, no descendant of a female can inherit. And there is at least one accepted dynast alive in Prince Albert and there is another, Prince Ruediger who might not be a legitimate dynast due to his father's marriage to a non-noble lady, but is accepted by Prince Albert as such. And that adopted son of the margrave, has equality problems himself because his mother married a man from the Lebanon who claimed to be a prince as descendant of the caliphes of Afif-Gessaphe but who knows.... Prince Albert for example does not believe that, thus claiming as both candidates have problems with their descent according to the nobility laws of the House of Saxony, the male-line descendant should have preference over the female line descendant...

It will be interesting what the German nobility thinks...

Cory · Jul 25, 2012

Death of the Margrave of Meissen Head of the House of Saxony « European Royal History

Stefan · Jul 25, 2012

And Prince Alexander was accepted as dynast in the 1990's by all then living male Family members also Rüdiger's uncles Gero and Dedo who meanwhile passed away. And also by Prince Albert.

Konrad der Rote · Jul 25, 2012

Mon roi est mort, vive le roi! :verysad:

Alexander (the sister-son) or Rüdiger (the agnatic heir of the 1000 year old gens Wettinensis)? I don't know. :sad:

Harold · Jul 25, 2012

The Margrave lived most of his life in Switzerland, right? Did he have a job or, being the son of a Thurn-n-Taxis was he able to live comfortably without working? Do any of the royal family live in Saxony?

NGalitzine · Jul 25, 2012

As I understand it, by family agreement, Prince Alexander is the heir. Not sure if he will use the Margrave titke.

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