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Because neither the Margrave nor the rest of his family (save Albert, who only came to know Rudiger personally after 1997) had any relationship at all with Timo's children. Why would the Margrave appoint a practical stranger, even if a blood relation, as his heir?
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So his house does not go extinct and the claim pass to another family, its not like there is any property left to claim, all those issues are settled. I don't believe however that they were settled in 1997 though and maybe the Margrave thought he could keep the money in his branch, and preferred this even if it resulted in the extinction of his house. But of course as things turned out all descendants got their fair share of compensation.
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Prince Albert is reportedly in ill health. At this point in his life, I doubt he truly cares about this matter. It is his morganatic wife who is pulling the strings (see the Bild article where she, not her husband, proclaims that they are Margrave and Margravine of Meissen).
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The fact she is given the HRH in the document indicates she is not a morganatic spouse so she is not going to benefit personally she is already regarded as a Royal Highness by the family by the looks of it. Quite possibly she believes in tradition and wants the male line of her husbands family to continue.
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I only wonder why Erina as the morganatic widow of Prince Timo is allowed to use the HRH when Prince Ruediger, son from an exactly similar marriage, is not...
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Looking at the document it appears that the unequal marriages of Prince Ernst Heinrich, Prince Albert and Prince Timo are accepted as dynastic as all their spouses are given the HRH. Unless the Margrave decided to recognise them as dynastic retroactively (all except Timo's first marriage) to get a signature....
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07-29-2012, 09:20 AM
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07-30-2012, 10:18 PM
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07-31-2012, 10:19 PM
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Good to see that Prince Albert seems to be more consilatory at the moment. It was IMHO bad taste to start such a quarrel even before his brother was burried.
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08-02-2012, 07:56 AM
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Good to see that Prince Albert seems to be more consilatory at the moment. It was IMHO bad taste to start such a quarrel even before his brother was burried.
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Agreed. Very poor taste.
What I don't like though is the assumption that Albert, due to his disability, is merely the hapless puppet of a domineering wife, even if that is partly true.
It must be remembered that Albert is also an accomplished family historian, so he must be somewhat conflicted about his role in the exclusion of the only flourishing male line descending from the Kings of Saxony in favor of a Middle Eastern family with no historical connection at all to Saxony.
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10-07-2012, 10:02 AM
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Death of Prince Albert of Saxony, brother of the late Margrave of Meissen
HRH Prince Albert of Saxony, Margrave of Meissen, died on Saturday night in a Munich hospital.
Albert Prinz von Sachsen: Enkel des letzten Sachsen-Königs gestorben - Leipzig - Bild.de
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Dresden - Albert Prince of Saxony Duke of Saxony is dead
The grandson of the last king of Saxony Friedrich August III (1865-1932) died on Saturday night at the age of 77 years in a Munich hospital. The news was announced by the royal family on Sunday.
The prince leaves his wife Elmira Princess of Saxony, Duchess of Saxe.
Prince Albert was born in 1934 in the Bavarian town of Bamberg. He studied history, economics, and folklore and last lived in Dresden and Munich.
He remained close to his native Saxony all his life, as shown by the many publications of his relating to the Free State.
A date for the funeral has not yet been announced.
ETA.. Prince Albert and his wife had no children.
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10-07-2012, 12:45 PM
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Two Markgrafen (Kings) in one year. It's so sad.
 
NOW, Alexander is rightfull Markgraf.
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NOW, Alexander is rightful Markgraf.
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Unless Prince Ruediger - who was Prince Albert's successor of choice - contests that. Ruediger is the only agnatic great- grandson of Frederick Augustus III. His parents' marriage was of course morganatic, but then so was Alexander's parents (although Alexander himself married equally).
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10-09-2012, 09:50 PM
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Albert and his wife were among those who signed the family pact acknowledging Alexander as the heir -- Rüdiger was not involved because he has never been considered or recognized as a dynast.
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Unless Prince Ruediger - who was Prince Albert's successor of choice - contests that. Ruediger is the only agnatic great- grandson of Frederick Augustus III. His parents' marriage was of course morganatic, but then so was Alexander's parents (although Alexander himself married equally).
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Well, neither was Alexander at the time. If I'm not mistaken, the document was signed by most members of the family, dynasts or not.
Mind you, I'm not disputing Margrave Alexander's rights; his claims do appear to be more sound, and virtually undisputed now that Albert is gone.
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I don't think it's a scandal that Prince Albert called himself Margrave of Meissen for this short span between his brother's and his own death. But Alexander of Saxe-Gessaphe really should have attended the funeral. In fact, this was the last funeral of a prince of the Saxony-Wettins with undisputed dynast status.
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10-13-2012, 10:50 AM
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The scandal seems to be that the wife of the man that Prince Timo adopted for money (in exchange for the "Prinz von Sachsen" name) was placed prominently at the funeral while the Furst of Hohenzollern had to find a seat in the area of the church set off for the public.
Also, the honor guard that escorted the coffin of Prince Albert apparently did not impress the Bild reporter very much.
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10-14-2012, 07:07 AM
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Frum these musings:
"The "highlight" of the mass was the appearance of Theophana Prinzessin von Sachsen, the former wife of the late Hermann Prinz von Sachsen, who was the adopted son of the late Prince Timo of Saxony.
Hermann was the son of Eva Montanus. He was adopted as an adult by Timo and his third wife. He is said to have paid for the name Prinz von Sachsen."
Adoption is not illegal in Germany. It means that adopter and adoptee want to form a real family connection by law, thus the adoptee severes all legal ties to his former family. There are cases where this procedere is used to "sell" a noble name, but mostly it happens because two people simply want to make their felt kinship a legal one. #
I'm not informed about the case of Hermann and his adopted father Timo. But the fact that the widowed wife of Hermann attended the funeral of her legal father-in-law's cousin and was seated on a place of honour tells me no matter if there was a financial transaction to this adoption, in this case a real family bond formed with Timo's other (and real) child, Prince Ruediger, who had helped organised the funeral.
BTW: I wouldn't trust Bild reports at all!
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Theophana and her husband were divorced. Moreover, Timo, who had little contact with his children while they were growing up,as they were raised by their maternal family, was in need of money. Hermann Montanus paid Timo for a surname, just as Robert Lichtenberg did when he was adopted by Marie Auguste of Anhalt
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