Royal House of Saxony (Wettin)

[Kataryn]

The Wettins have really different sorrows than to discuss Xenia. At the moment the Head of the House, the Margrave of Meissen, as well as the other agnats from equal marriages have no male offspring. Thus the Margrave of Meissen adopted his sister's son. But there's still prince Rüdiger, the son of prince Timo from his morganatic marriage. He is now one of the last of the Wettins of Saxony in the male blood-line. Plus he has thee sons from legitimate marriages. It is not yet clear who will inherit the position of the Head of the House - the adopted son of a Wettin-princess or the morganatic male-line descendant.But if Rüdiger inherits, then Xenia will be the niece of the Head of the House of Wettin-Saxony.

As to the question of who will inherit: obviously there is a dispute between the current Head of the House and his brother Albert. If the Margrave of Meissen dies before his brother, this brother will inherit. prince Albert already announced that in this case he will "de-morganise" (right word?) the marriage of prince Timo, thus officially acknowledge prince Rüdiger as his legal heir. But if prince Albert dies before his brother The Margrave, then the Margrave won't acknowledge Rüdiger. This would mean that the House dies out in the male-line and the female line will inherit: the son of his sister, who has already been adopted by the Margrave.

So it's: let's wait and see.

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Kit

A member of the family she is although we don't know if the main branch of the Wettins even has contact or respects the morganatic branch of Xenia's mother.....

Yes, they have contact. Not with Iris, but with her brother Rüdiger. See my post above.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

As to the question of who will inherit: obviously there is a dispute between the current Head of the House and his brother Albert...

In the 1990's there was a Family agreement where the Prince's Albert, Dedo and Gero (the last 2 have now passed away) agrred that the Margrave adopts his nephew Alexander and he becomes his Heir. Nut in the meantime Prince Albert has changed his phews and now supports Prince Rüdiger. But none of Rüdiger's sons is married equal and he is also not.
But Alexander is married equal to Princess Gisela of Bavaria and has 3 sons and a daughter.

[Kataryn]

We know from the Bavarian Royal House that if need be, unequal marriages can be declared equal. Albert, his brothers and some other Wettin-descendants have after 2000 changed their opinion and accepted Rüdiger in their fold.

And it's opinion against opinion what is an equal marriage: the Gessaphe-branch are descended from a man who claims to be of oriental Libanese Royalty... For Albert, a prince of Saxony as in Timo is obviously the better male ancestor. Notwithstanding who the mother is. Which is an acceptable point of view, IMHO. The basic idea behind the upheaval of the Wettin princes and princesses against the Margrave was that as there two possibilities for the Headship and both somehow flawed, the family should decide together and not only the Margrave himself.

BTW: if it is decided that neither Rüdiger nor Alexander are born from an equal marriage, Alexander prince of Hohenzollern would be the next in line. His great-grandmother was a princess of Saxony, his father is married for the second time unequally but he himself is descended from an equal marriage and he is as yet unmarried.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

BTW: if it is decided that neither Rüdiger nor Alexander are born from an equal marriage, Alexander prince of Hohenzollern would be the next in line.

Friedrich August III, King of Saxony > Margarete > Friedrich Wilhelm, Fürst von Hohenzollern > Fürst Karl Friedrich > Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern (b 1987)

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Warren

Friedrich August III, King of Saxony > Margarete > Friedrich Wilhelm, Fürst von Hohenzollern > Fürst Karl Friedrich > Alexander, Erbprinz von Hohenzollern (b 1987)

Thank you Warren for making that line more visible.

[Benjamin]

Princess Maria Anna of Saxony (b.1929) died on March 13.

http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogs...axony.html?m=1

[MAfan]

She was one of the sisters of the Margrave of Meissen. Her elder son Alexander de Afif, now Prince Alexander of Saxe-Gessaphe, is the successor to his uncle the Margrave of Meissen to the headshiop of the Royal Family.

[KittyAtlanta]

Princess Maria Anna was certainly beautiful and looks as though she would be fun and nice to be around. RIP

[Benjamin]

Obituary of Princess Maria Anna:
Eurohistory: + Princess Maria Anna of Saxony (1929-2012)

[Biri]

Royal Arms of Saxony


A copy from Netty's Royalty Page Royal News July:

Maria Emanuel Margrave von Meissen,
Head of the Royal House of Saxony, died on 23 July 2012
at his house in La Tour de Peilz, Switzerland.

He was born in Prufening on 31 January 1926, the eldest child of Crown Prince Friedrich Christian of Saxony (1893-1968) and his wife Princess Elisabeth Helene von Thurn und Taxis (1903-1976).

He married civilly in La Tour de Peilz on 22 June 1962, and religiously in Vevey on 31 January 1963 Princess Anastasia von Anhalt (b.1940). The couple didn't have any children.

It was originally planned that Prince Johannes (b 1969), son of the Margrave's youngest sister Princess Mathilde and her husband Prince Johannes Heinrich of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, would become the heir of Saxony but he tragically died in an accident in 1987.

Prince Alexander (Alexander de Afif, "Prince von Sachsen-Gesaphe", b.1954), the eldest son of the Margrave's sister Princess Maria Anna (who died on 13 March this year) will be the new head of the family.

The remaining siblings are: Maria Josepha (b.1928), Albert (b.1934) and Mathilde (b.1936).

[Harold]

The Margrave of Meissen has died.

Royal Musings: Royal Death: the Margrave of Meissen

[Kataryn]

As the Margrave died without legitimate issue (he only had an adopted son)., his younger brother should inherit the Headship of the House of Wettin. If not, it makes no sense to use these titles anymore.

[Marengo]

Marlene's article states that he has already been suceeded as head of the house by his nephew Alexander.

[Kataryn]

Yes, the article states that. And that's what the late Margrave wanted. But the House Laws are not condoning that. They say that as long as male dynasts of the family live, no descendant of a female can inherit. And there is at least one accepted dynast alive in Prince Albert and there is another, Prince Ruediger who might not be a legitimate dynast due to his father's marriage to a non-noble lady, but is accepted by Prince Albert as such. And that adopted son of the margrave, has equality problems himself because his mother married a man from the Lebanon who claimed to be a prince as descendant of the caliphes of Afif-Gessaphe but who knows.... Prince Albert for example does not believe that, thus claiming as both candidates have problems with their descent according to the nobility laws of the House of Saxony, the male-line descendant should have preference over the female line descendant...

It will be interesting what the German nobility thinks...

[Cory]

Death of the Margrave of Meissen Head of the House of Saxony « European Royal History

[Stefan]

And Prince Alexander was accepted as dynast in the 1990's by all then living male Family members also Rüdiger's uncles Gero and Dedo who meanwhile passed away. And also by Prince Albert.

[Konrad der Rote]

Mon roi est mort, vive le roi! Alexander (the sister-son) or Rüdiger (the agnatic heir of the 1000 year old gens Wettinensis)? I don't know.

[Harold]

The Margrave lived most of his life in Switzerland, right? Did he have a job or, being the son of a Thurn-n-Taxis was he able to live comfortably without working? Do any of the royal family live in Saxony?

[NGalitzine]

As I understand it, by family agreement, Prince Alexander is the heir. Not sure if he will use the Margrave titke.