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Old 07-26-2015, 07:37 AM
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Princess Manni has such an exuberant personality, it is always a pleasure to see her.


Some readers may not know that Sunnyi Melles is the wife of Manni's youngest son Prince Peter. She also is a well-known actress, so that's probably why she's not refered to as Princess Sunnyi.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:47 AM
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More photos of princess Manni with her daughter-in-law
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Also the president of Austria, Heinz Fischer, and the president of Romania, Klaus Iohannis, attended at the gala with their wives.
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Old 07-26-2015, 07:53 AM
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Princess Manni has such an exuberant personality, it is always a pleasure to see her.


Some readers may not know that Sunnyi Melles is the wife of Manni's youngest son Prince Peter. She also is a well-known actress, so that's probably why she's not refered to as Princess Sunnyi.
Thanks Tilia for the explanations. For me indeed all this persons is totally unknown
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Old 08-05-2015, 07:06 AM
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Prince Peter Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn and his wife princess Sunnyi (Sunnyi Melles) arrived to the premiere of "Fidelio" at the Salzburger Festspiele on Tuesday.
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Is he the future Head of the House or the unmarried Gustav ?
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Old 08-05-2015, 07:58 AM
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The unmarried Gustav is the future Head of the House of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, which is one of the two branches of the House of Sayn (the other is the house of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn).
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:09 AM
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No, maria-olivia, he is from the other family branch, the Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn family. I think the two branches divided in the early 18th century and their common ancestor was Count Ludwig Franz von Sayn-Wittgenstein-Ludwigsburg, born in 1694.

Prince Peter also is the youngest son of Fürst Ludwig zu SWS and his wife Fürstin Marianne. She is quite a character with the nick-name Manni, some also call her Mamarazza because she is an excellant and passionate photographer. The head of the house Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn is Prince Peter's older brother, Fürst Alexander, who is married to Countess Gabriela von Schönborn-Wiesentheid.
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:25 AM
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Is he the future Head of the House or the unmarried Gustav ?
Prince Gustav because he is still respecting his grandfather's Will which was clearly aimed to keep the immense patrimonium of the House firmly tied to the chef of the House.

Without the Will the chance was there that the eldest male agnate of the House Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg owns the patrimonium but is not the chef of that House because he made an undynastic marriage. A not so desirable side effect meaning that a junior agnate whom fully obeyed to the House Laws is left with nothing and the senior agnate whom married the cleaning-lady and is no longer a dynast, owns all the millions.

Then the link between the historic patrimonium and the dynasty has been broken, which would be very sad. It is clear Gustav's grandfather wanted a double lock on that door.
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Old 08-05-2015, 08:34 AM
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Thanks for your 3 answers I appreciate !
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I wonder what will happen to the Berleburg assets after Prince Gustav's death.
Currently, after him, the next in line to succeed both to the title of Fürst zu S-W-B and to the whole asset of the princely House is his uncle, Prince Robin, who himself contracted unequal marriages and whose descendants are excluded from the succession. On the other hand, it is highly unlikely that Prince Robin will succeed to his nephew.
Will it all pass to Gustav's cousin, the Fürst zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein or to his son? Or will the assets be eventually split between Gustav's sisters and their descendants?
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I wonder what will happen to the Berleburg assets after Prince Gustav's death.
Currently, after him, the next in line to succeed both to the title of Fürst zu S-W-B and to the whole asset of the princely House is his uncle, Prince Robin, who himself contracted unequal marriages and whose descendants are excluded from the succession. On the other hand, it is highly unlikely that Prince Robin will succeed to his nephew.
Will it all pass to Gustav's cousin, the Fürst zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein or to his son? Or will the assets be eventually split between Gustav's sisters and their descendants?
I understood that the will would no longer be applicable after Prince Gustav and therefor not apply to Prince Robin and his descendants. This would mean that Prince Robins marriage would not affect his succession and he would be the next furst. I have not heard that he renounced his position.
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The unmarried Gustav is the future Head of the House of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, which is one of the two branches of the House of Sayn (the other is the house of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn).
Shouldn't that be three branches, the Hohensteins being the third
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I understood that the will would no longer be applicable after Prince Gustav and therefor not apply to Prince Robin and his descendants. This would mean that Prince Robins marriage would not affect his succession and he would be the next furst. I have not heard that he renounced his position.
AFAIK Prince Robin didn't renounce to his titles and/or succession rights, but under the "old rules" his marriage was unequal (morganatic) and therefore his descendants should be excluded from the succession.
Anyway Prince Robin is 77 while Gustav is thirty years younger, so it's unlikely that Robin will ever succeed to Gustav.

So, if I have correctly understood, after Gustav's death - granted that he won't marry "equally" - the whole Berleburg inheritance will pass to Robin or his eldes son, who won't be anylonger bounded to respect the conditions set in the will of their ancestor.
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Shouldn't that be three branches, the Hohensteins being the third
Yes, right, I had forgotten about them, because the current Hohensteins are descendants of a Berleburg adopted by the last Hohenstein. But yes, in theory they make a separate branch.
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Princess Manni and her daughter-in-law princess Sunnyi (Sunnyi Melles) arrived to Mack the Knife at Salzburger Festspiele on Saturday.
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Yes, right, I had forgotten about them, because the current Hohensteins are descendants of a Berleburg adopted by the last Hohenstein. But yes, in theory they make a separate branch.
Did Furst Bernhart zu Sayn Wittgenstein Hohenstein marry Katharina Von Alvensleben?
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AFAIK he is married to Countess Katharina von Podewils-Dürniz.
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AFAIK he is married to Countess Katharina von Podewils-Dürniz.
I thought that he and Countess Katharina divorced several years ago. I vaguely remember reading it. He and Katharina Von Alvensleben attended Nathalie zu Sayn Wittgenstein Berleburg's wedding as well as recently the funeral for the Prince of Lippe.
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