Princely House of Thurn und Taxis 2: July 2008 - July 2011

[MAfan]

If Albert wasn't born, the heir of Johannes would be Johannes' cousin Max Emmanuel; but Max Emmanuel had two sons born into a morganatic marriage, so they are not eligible for the succession, and thus for inheriting Franz Josef's main assets.
The next in line would be Albrecht, another cousin of Johannes and nephew of Franz Josef; Albrecht has no children. And both Max Emmanuel and Albrecht would pay inheritance taxes.
But the next eligible successor are very distant cousins, the brothers Friedrich (the journalist, who is childless), Karl (married morganatically) and Maximilian (unmarried and childless).

Indeed Franz Joseph took an enormous risk (and Thurn un Taxis Family has been very lucky that Gloria and Johannes became parents of a son and heir...)

[fearghas]

Whih is why it is very important for him to marry and have some sons, soon. As has been shown by a couple of recent deaths, (Brazil, WindischGraetz and Low Ros.)it is all too easy for an accident to occur. Especially as he is involved in a high risk activity.

Of course i can say this because it's not my life we are talking about.

[Fürstin Taxis]

Prince Max Karl, head of the family and great-great-great-grandfather of Johanens had 14 sons.

1. Karl Wilhelm, died early
2. Maximilian Anton, had two sons Albert and Maximilian Maria (didn´t married)
3. Egon, had two sons, one unmarried, the other one morganatic
4. Theodor, his only son had a daughter (which is the mother of Max Emanuel)
5. Otto, both sons died unmarried
6. Georg, married morganatic
7. Paul, married morganatic
8. Hugo, died young
9. Gustav, no children
10. Wilhelm died early
11. Adolf had three daughters
12. Franz had four sons: Nikolaus died early, Gustav was murdered without offsprings, Egon died in the war, and Franz didn´t married
13. Nikolaus died early
14. Alfred died early, too.

Max Karl was the only son, his two brothers died.
And Prince Max (1769 - 1831), (brother of Prince Karl Anselm), had sons, too. But their offsprings married morganatic.
MA, I think you´re right. Franz Joseph was clever.
Of course, they could changed it so, that the eldest child gets heir, girl or son. But in their conservative opinions, girls had never the chance.
Which is funny, because the women of the house saved lots of time the Thurn und Taxis against bankrupts (Gloria), Napoleon (Therese), thieves (Alexandra de Rye) etc.

[Seraphine]

I just want to add one thing:

Johannes had to marry a girl from high nobilty, but Albert doesn't need to!

Why ? It was written so in the testament.
I don't know the exact formulation, but Gloria said years ago in a BILD interview, that Albert can marry a middle class girl, if he wants to ( an she also said: "I'd love her to be a nice girl, catholic and with nice, not-divorced parents).

[AnnaLena]

That's nice, and I qualify
But my actual question: I've read a couple of times that Elisabeth was quite sick a couple of years ago, does someone know what it was?

[Saschana]

According to Bild she had a tumour between her rips that had to be removed in 2006.

[Al_bina]

Originally Posted by Seraphine

I don't know the exact formulation, but Gloria said years ago in a BILD interview, that Albert can marry a middle class girl, if he wants to ( an she also said: "I'd love her to be a nice girl, catholic and with nice, not-divorced parents).

It is wonderful that Furstin Gloria does not plan to influence or interfere with Prince Albert's choice. At the same time, I often wonder what her reaction would be, if the girl of Prince Albert's choice fell short of Furstin Gloria's expectations.

[Dierna23]

Originally Posted by Seraphine

... Gloria said... "I'd love her to be a nice girl, catholic and with nice, not-divorced parents).

Weren't Gloria's own parents divorced?

[Seraphine]

Yes, they were.....In Germany we say: she is päpstlicher als der Papst.....she is more pontificial than the pope is.....:)
But may be she wants her daughter in law coming from a happy family, that knows how to make her son also a happy family... ?

[pallas athina]

Originally Posted by Seraphine

Nowadays in Germany is a new law of inheritance. I don't know if they can do that a second time.

Do you know how it is possible to give the main family assets to one male heir? I've never understood how the German noble families have been able to do this and avoid portioning. Is it that the assets are in a trust and you can make anyone the beneficiary?

[Seraphine]

Well, that depends. I'm not an expert, bout our legal portion system works like that:

It says, that if children were disinherited, they have the right to claim their legal potion. The amount depends on your blood state to the late person and the number of heirs, that have the right on a legal potion.

The legal potion is the HALF OF THE NORMAL PART OF THE HEIR.

Example: One man dies and has 100.000 € and a wive and two children. The wive would get 50.000 and the children each 25.000€ . If one child has married a women, that the father doesn't like, the father can disinherit his child. When he dies, one gets 25.000 and the other just 12.500, because it has the right to be supported. It's a german constituional law, that protects families in a special way. It is based on Roman law.
If one child has knocked the father out after an argument or stolen something, the father can disposses even the legal portion.

The legal portion and the legally/ normal part of the heir rules do only work, if the father/ mother made NO testament or made a testament and not everyone agrees.
If everyone agrees, children might disclaim on their portion, for ex. to make sure the family assets stay in one hand.

An agreement can be made by:
1) early / advance inheritance settlement -> ex. a daughter marries and gets a big dower.
2) Apanage

A trust is also a possibilty to save the family asset: Then there is a private asset of the late person and a family asset, for ex. a castle.

Families, that have trusts are: The Leiningen family, the Hanover family, the House of Oranien-Nassau.....

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by pallas athina

Do you know how it is possible to give the main family assets to one male heir? I've never understood how the German noble families have been able to do this and avoid portioning. Is it that the assets are in a trust and you can make anyone the beneficiary?

But it was a complicated affair. Her father left Glorias mother in the early 1980's and the where divorced against the will of his wife. Count Joachim married then his former secretary Ursula by whom hje had an daughter Annabelle. Gloria had taken the side of her mother at the time of her mother but it's said the reconcilled with her father later.

[pallas athina]

Originally Posted by Seraphine

Well, that depends. I'm not an expert, bout our legal portion system works like this:

I see now. Thanks!

[Hereditary Thane]

The old Spanish saying, with the rich and powerful always a little patience, seems to be as apt today as it ever was. I support the concept of monrachy, however there is something distatesful about people who derive their wealth from communities where they (legally or otherwise) avoid paying their share of the taxes like most honest people. Seems like you can be a thorough scoundrel and still be adored. Sad these peoples expensive educations didn't include probity and ethics.

[Dierna23]

Originally Posted by Seraphine

Yes, they were.....In Germany we say: she is päpstlicher als der Papst.....she is more pontificial than the pope is.....:)
But may be she wants her daughter in law coming from a happy family, that knows how to make her son also a happy family... ?

Päpstlicher als der Papst... yes, definitely. I must admit I have my problems with her metamorphosis - "from Saulus to Paulus". Not that a person can't change, but there's something around her which isn't genuine, just my humble opinion of course. Neither I can forget her silly interview together with Cardinal Meissner, full of prejudice...

However, you may be right with your assumption and there would be nothing wrong with that if a mother wishes a girl from a happy family for her son.

[AnnaLena]

Originally Posted by Saschana

According to Bild she had a tumour between her rips that had to be removed in 2006.

Thanks a lot Saschana Thankfully Elisabeth is fine again!

Does someone know if she or one of her siblings have a boy-/girlfriend?

[Saschana]

Fürstin Gloria and Fürst Albert attended the summer reception of the Bavarian Landtag on Schleißheim Palace yesterday.

-> Picture

[pallas athina]

Oh, my eyes! I'm saddened to see they share the same fashion sense.

[Seraphine]

Hey ! That's not fair !!!
This is traditional Bavarian clothing ! They just show how much connected they are with their home state. I like that very much. It shows that they are down to earth, because they could have wore also designer clothing for several thousand Euro.
May be the short leather pants might confuse you, but that's just they way to wear it.
By the way, their clothing was decent, there is much more knickknack possible.

My Dirndl ( name of the dress) is very pink.

No one claims, when Abdullah wears his headscarf or Rania her caftan. Or when Silvia wears her traditional clothing.

[Seraphine]

My one:

Trachten Dirndl Lederhosen Trachtenschmuck Trachtenhimmel | Tracht