Prince Gustav and Carina Axelsson, Current Events & Discussion 1: July 2007-Aug 2009


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Also, the tiara has been potentially identified as I said. It seems to be similar enough in design.

Honestly, in my opinion, it is hard to tell specifically with the second image you posted, Kimebear.


No one from the House of SWB has confirmed it though.

Yes, that is true. Furthermore, if it was confirmed would have been posted in this topic some time ago.


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Of course kimebear is your right to disagree with me and who else you mind, but where do you acquire your knowledges? Because y read "perhaps" and "I don't think" in your message and those sentence are subjetive but not objetiv.

I write about protocol with insider knowledges, Lady in UK is a nobility title, that's the reason why they use tiaras.

Tiaras can be worn by anyone, not just aristocrats. In the pre-WW2 days, rich commoners wore tiaras to tiara events, just the same as Lady Whoever. The Queen Mother's honeycomb tiara was a bequest from Mrs Greville, who wasn't Lady anything.

Carina Axelsson was not invited to the recently christening of Alexias daughter, because in Spain, they follow the protocol. (Alexia is the 1st grade cousin of Gustav).

Carinas mistress condition is only tolerate by Gustavs close danish relatives.

I would agree with kimebear here that it sounds harsh to call her a mistress. This looks like a case where they would be married if not for legal problems surrounding his grandfather's will; it isn't - at least it doesn't appear to be - a case where they've just decided to shack up together for the time being. If they decided, I assume with Princess Benedikte's knowledge, that Carina should wear the tiara as a sign that they're in a long-term relationship that they regard informally as being as close to marriage as they can get under present circumstances, I must say that I for one have some sympathy with them.
 
If they decided, I assume with Princess Benedikte's knowledge, that Carina should wear the tiara as a sign that they're in a long-term relationship that they regard informally as being as close to marriage as they can get under present circumstances, I must say that I for one have some sympathy with them.


It was a sign, no question about it.
 
Of course Elspeth, tiaras can be worn by anyone, but it depends to which kind of event are you attending.

GlitteringTiaras has ready explain about the meanings of mistress and Carina is not only the girlfriend of Gustav.

Gustav is a german prince, but only his danish relatives tolerate his "way of life". He is out of favor with german aristocrats.
 
Of course Elspeth, tiaras can be worn by anyone, but it depends to which kind of event are you attending.

GlitteringTiaras has ready explain about the meanings of mistress and Carina is not only the girlfriend of Gustav.

Gustav is a german prince, but only his danish relatives tolerate his "way of life". He is out of favor with german aristocrats.

How do you know that he is out of favor with german aristocrats? What inside link do you have? I am sure that he isn't the only german prince that has had a live in companion.

Why would you make such a statement unless you have proof?
 
...Carina Axelsson was not invited to the recently christening of Alexias daughter, because in Spain, they follow the protocol. (Alexia is the 1st grade cousin of Gustav)...

I'd think that Carina wasn't invited to the christening of Amelia (and how do we know for sure she wasn't?) because Gustav himself didn't attend. And what does Spain have to do with the fact? Alexia is part of the Greek royal family, not the Spanish :ermm:
 
Princess Alexia of Greece and Denmark married the SPANISH architect Carlos Morales Quintana, they live in Spain and her auntie is the queen of Spain.


Princess Alexias brothers Prince Nikolaos and Prince Philippos attend christening of Alexias daughter Amelia with their gilfriends Tatiana and Helen, because a girlfiend is not a mistress.


The catholic german prince Christian zu Fürstenberg has also a girlfriend, but those girlfriends are not interlopers who ready live at the family palace or residence, they have their own bourgeois life.


Have you ever seen Carina Axelsson attending an aristocratic event out of Denmark since June 2006?

The rules are the rules, Gustav Frederik Philip Richard, Hereditary Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg, is not Mr. Müller or Mr. Maier, but he is traying to break the rules since he meets Carina Axelsson, without success, that's the reason why they can't get married.


The materialism is bigger than love, she is not the youngster if she wants to get pregnancy, but love is not enough, they want everything, nobility title, heritage, etc.
 
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...Princess Alexias brothers Prince Nikolaos and Prince Philippos attend christening of Alexias daughter Amelia with their gilfriends Tatiana and Helen, because a girlfiend is not a mistress...

Sure, Carlos is Spanish and they live in Spain. Sure, Spain is more traditional regarding girlfriends/in this sense than Denmark - but if what you are saying (that Carina didn't attend the Greek christening because it was in Spain = more protocol), then both Tatiana and Helen wouldn't have attended either.

And how can Tatiana and Helen be counted as 'girlfriends', but Carina not? :ermm: If you count one as a girlfriend, you have to count them all. Or at least call them all "partners".

And Adelheid, how did you come to the conclusion that Carina is Gustav's mistress? He is not married to another woman, and the only way the term "mistress" can be used in in regards to Carina is, like GT said, as another way of saying "Lady of the House"
 
Adelheid aren't you being a bit harsh. I for one would love to see royalty marrying royalty but this is the 21st Century and so why shouldn't they marry whom they want. Gustav is in a really hard position stuck between his duties as the future head of the of his princly house and the person he obviously loves. I have yet to see anything that suggests Carina is anything other than a decent person. Not like a certain woman who married a Hohenzollern- Sigmaringen Prince.
 
Princess Alexias brothers Prince Nikolaos and Prince Philippos attend christening of Alexias daughter Amelia with their gilfriends Tatiana and Helen, because a girlfiend is not a mistress.

Was Gustav's other sister at the christening? What about Mary and Frederik, Felipe and Letizia they are also Alexia's cusins yet they were not there. Could it possibly be that they all had things on and couldn't get away for the christening.

Carina is accepted by Gustav's family, she wore a tiara because it was given to her to wear. You may not agree with it, you may not like it but that's the way it is.
 
I agree with Guido, michelleq, GlitteringTiaras, LauraMCS and Jo of Palatine about this topics:

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I wonder when she started to wright the Nigel ? After she met Prince Gustav or before? This relationship is a very good promotion for her books that she has been dating a German prince. On the other hand I don't understand why she wants to help in restoring the Bad Berleburg castle? She never studied restoration unless by this means she would like to make a good impression on Gustav's parents.

The nigel award is ricidulous because it was named after Carina's animal hero who is a silly crocodile. By the way I don't think that she has established this prize. This award is founded by Gustav and her mother Benedikte in order to improve Carina's public image. It seems that Nigel award is just a PR strategy whereby they would like to influence the court. It showes that she does something useful thing in Berleburg. She doesn't have to work a lot on her children's book because her book is huge size, thin and includes a lots of drawing and very few sentences.

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she is "acting" the role admirably. She is always looking at the camera, ready for her shot. Yet at the Hesse wedding in 2006, she barely looked up on her way to the wedding.

If you look at photos of her as Grasteen, you will see her looking at the cameras or looking at Mary. She is mimicking Mary rather well. If you pay attention, her manner of dress has become very similar to Mary's also. She is not sitting with me. I wish Gustav true happiness, but as this drama is continuing, it appears (to me) that Carina has assimilated herself into this family almost as if she is more royal/princely than they are. I feel that Benedikte and Richard just want Gustav happy, esp. after the Elvire incidentt. You really never see her with Nathalie or Alexandra. She is around Mary more.

Now, don't get me wrong, who wouldn't want to be a princess with a castle, with a handsome prince? But she is just coming off just a bit too phony.

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She is playing her "role" perfectly. Now she dresses and behaves like a princess. Secret of success: Behave and dress like who would like to become!...

The Nigel award, attending royal engagements are all PR strategy in order to prove the German court that she does something useful in spite of her model career.
... I wonder why we are able to find only two pictures of her model career ...

Here are two images of Carina when she accompanied HRH Crown Princess Mary to the whatchamacallit event on March 15, 2008. I must say that she looks completely different in the first mega close-up shot, and she is wearing very heavy foundation and eyebrow shadow. Way too much. ...

OMG, this woman wears very-heavy make up! No wonder she was a model. I wonder how she looks without any foundation.

How is it a fact that she was financially stable before meeting Gustav? She had a short and failed modeling career because of her lack of height, her excess of poundage, big nose and bad teeth (most models make rather little money unless they become internationally known supermodels - not the case with Carina). She wrote a couple of little books but there is no money in children's literature unless you are a prolific writer with a worldwide audience (again, not the case with Carina) and this fact can be proven with a call to any publishing house. Books for small children are very inexpensive and it would take phenomenal sales to make significant money. Even if she earned a million euro that's not to say that she isn't up to her neck in credit card debit or loans. It can happen.

I don't think Carina is a golddigger at all but find no evidence that it is a fact that she was stable in terms of finances.

GT, thank you very much for posting this information.:flowers:
I read the article in the original at Kellerschätze der Fürstenfamilie an das Tageslicht befördert Carina Axelsson hat für das "Münzzimmer" ein Jahr lang nach Bildern gesucht - Bad Berleburg - DerWesten
but there they said that Carina is the lifecompanion/Lebensgefährtin of prince Gustav?

Quote: ""Ich habe gesucht und gesucht", erzählt die Lebensgefährtin von Prinz Gustav." End of quote.

Probably they changed it after you found the article.

BTW - in Germany you can have a "registered life-companionship" which gives the couple some rights formerly reserved for married couples, like inheritance rights, right to care and decide for the partner who is incapable of doing so himself, other social rights etc.

Maybe that's what Gustav and Carina did decide on as long as the infamous will is still valid and why she wore a princesses' tiara at Joachim's wedding?

The "eingetragene Lebensgemeinschaft" was created in 2001 by law to allow homosexual couples to "marry". So the procedure is similar to a marriage in the registry office. During the last years the law has involved - before marriage was especially protected by our constitution, so certain rights simply were unavailable for same-sex couples. But when these possibilities were offered to homosexual couples, it was thought that they cannot be denied hetero-couples as well, married or not. So the law now offers certain possibilities to unmarried hetero couples as well, who can create contracts and sign them which gives them similar rights to married couples. It is not really an official status but some legal agreements which before had only been for married couples can now be made for unm arried couples as well, eg when it comes to children, their upbringing, their inheritance etc.

So, but that's merely my guess, Gustav could have gotten more rights to his children by Carina in exchange for her to get certain "widow"-rights, like a right to stay for the rest of her lif in the castle, a right to an apanage etc. Through that, in fact, Carina would have a right of staying in Berleburg and they in fact could have created a status similar to a princess for her.

But I have no more information about that, though it would make sense.
As for the will, I personally think there is ma good chance to overturn it at least in the "aryan" part. The "noble" part is up to today's interpretation hopefully, so queen Margrethe could help and protestant - we've seen with Marie and Autumn that this isn't really a problem for most people nowadays.

LauraMCS, you mean that Carina Axelsson wrote a couple of little books, but I heard only about one: "Nigel".

We are able to find only two pictures of her model career because it was not a really successful career.

Carina always wears very, very-heavy make up, she has no eyebrows :eek:

About the "eingetragene Lebensgemeinschaft" ("registered life-companionship"), I presume they ready discovered this possibility and this is their ace when the judge says "is no way to change the will".

The 2nd royal wedding that Carina attends in Germany was in Schloss Berleburg, where Princess Vanessa zu Sayn Wittgenstein Berleburg had her reception and her wedding was held at the local church on September 9, 2007. Vanessa is a close relative of Gustav ;)
 
Why this bashing of Carina? She and Gustav fell in love - and both are old enough to know what responsibilites that involves. Gustav's family has accepted her and according to one interview with Princess Benedicte - they adore her. Carina is staying with Gustav despite the hinder that the will is to them getting married. She always look very appropriatey dressed.

They could very well be engaged and have made a committment to stay together for the rest of their lives regardless of the outcome of the will. They are handling a very difficult situation with class and maturity.

Perhaps the posts here could reflect the same.
 
you mean that Carina Axelsson wrote a couple of little books, but I heard only about one: "Nigel".

Nigel is a series. Two have been publishd so far with the third installment on the way.

Carina always wears very, very-heavy make up, she has no eyebrows

So do a lot of people who are attending events hence know that they will be photographed even the current crop of princesses in Europe wear heavy camera ready make-up... so what's your point?


About the "eingetragene Lebensgemeinschaft" ("registered life-companionship"), I presume they ready discovered this possibility and this is their ace when the judge says "is no way to change the will".

Speculation.


The 2nd royal wedding that Carina attends in Germany was in Schloss Berleburg, where Princess Vanessa zu Sayn Wittgenstein Berleburg had her reception and her wedding was held at the local church on September 9, 2007. Vanessa is a close relative of Gustav


Wrong. She attended several other noble weddings in Germany.


Have you ever seen Carina Axelsson attending an aristocratic event out of Denmark since June 2006?

Why, yes... yes I have. Next question.

Adelheid, I'm not sure why you are so aggressive towards Carina and her relationship Prince Gustav, but the fact is Ms. Axelsson is here to stay.

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Please GlitteringTiaras, tell me when and where, I would like to see the pictures and read the news about it.
Thanks :)


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Also, in your right hand mid corner there is a Search button, which will give you all the topics in conjunction with you, inquiry. You should also check the Swedish and noble and non-reigning weddings sub-forums.


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Also, in your right hand mid corner there is a Search button, which will give you all the topics in conjunction with you, inquiry. You should also check the Swedish and noble and non-reigning weddings sub-forums.


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That's not fair GlitteringTiaras! :mad:
I search giving Carina Axelsson and I check the Swedish and noble and non-reigning weddings sub-forums, but is nothing there, no links no pictures nothing about Carina attending other aristocratic events than these I've ready mencioned. :cool:
 
That's not fair GlitteringTiaras! :mad:
I search giving Carina Axelsson and I check the Swedish and noble and non-reigning weddings sub-forums, but is nothing there, no links no pictures nothing about Carina attending other aristocratic events than these I've ready mencioned. :cool:

What's not fair? GlitteringTiaras suggested all the tools you need for your research. Why not try Google instead of getting angry at GT to whom you should be thankful for providing much of the information in this thread. :)
 
What's not fair? GlitteringTiaras suggested all the tools you need for your research. Why not try Google instead of getting angry at GT to whom you should be thankful for providing much of the information in this thread. :)

Mandy, please ask GlitteringTiaras why has she given me these indications?

The Search button is the 1st tool I use in this or other forums, it was not a new information for me.

And you + GlitteringTiaras really think that I was waiting till you tell me that Google exists?

Are you kidding or what?
Other forum members get the links from GlitteringTiaras when these links exist!

If you don't like me, tell me directly, because the way you two chose is like mobbing.

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... plese ask GlitteringTiaras why has she given me these indications?


Because I am very busy, Adelheid, and if you start on page one as well as research the the Crown Prince couple of Denmark and Noble and Non-Reigning Weddings sub-forum you will find what you need. Also, use Google.de. type in her name and Voilà!:)


If you don't like me, tell me directly, because the way you two chose is like mobbing.

Now why in the world would you think that? :ermm:

BACK ON TOPIC!
 
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But it was not "a tiara event", it was a wedding, where the brides Mom and grandma, were not using tiara because they aren't royals. Prince Nikolaos of Greece and Denmarks girlfriend Tatiana, knows also about protocol and she was wearing no tiara at this wedding.

Without wishing to sound harsh: There appears to be no gaps in
your ignorance!

The wedding of Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier was indeed a
tiara event. Tiaras were worn not only by royals, but also by nobles and
a couple of commoners!

Tiaras are for all to wear if the invitation says "tiaras may be worn".
I have this om good authority! It was mentioned by Anna von Lowzow
who was a commentator for DR TV on the live coverage of the wedding (she
was formerly Anna Lerche of "A Royal family" TV-series fame).
Anna von Lowzow is a noblewoman herself, BTW and her sister
attended the wedding, with a tiara!

Carina Axelsson has been fully accepted by Prince Gustav's parents
and the Danish royal family. Just for the record!
And oh, by the way: My best bet is that Princess Benedikte prompted
Carina Axelsson to wear a tiara! ;)

Viv
 
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Have you ever seen Carina Axelsson attending an aristocratic event out of Denmark since June 2006?
Because I am stuck here on bedrest with nothing else to do I decided to go have a quick look to see what I could find for you. Here is one event that Gustav and Carina attended on 10 June 2006: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...essen-laetitia-bechtolf-10-6-2006-a-9941.html have a look in the thread that GT suggested and you may find more.

The way that it appears to me is that because of the will situation Carina is being treated as though she and Gustav were an official couple. If there was no will then I think she would be treaded the same as any other royal girlfriend but this is a unique situation that they find themselves in and everyone is working it out as they go along.
 
Without wishing to sound harsh: There appears to be no gaps in
your ignorance!

You don't sound harsh, you sound ordinary.

When I write royals, I'm including also nobles, I don't want to discriminate them. ;)

The wedding of Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier was indeed a tiara event. Tiaras were worn not only by royals, but also by nobles and
a couple of commoners!

Tiaras are for all to wear if the invitation says "tiaras may be worn".
I have this om good authority! It was mentioned by Anna von Lowzow
who was a commentator for DR TV on the live coverage of the wedding (she was formerly Anna Lerche of "A Royal family" TV-series fame).
Anna von Lowzow is a noblewoman herself, BTW and her sister
attended the wedding, with a tiara!

Surely, :lol: and the poor, poor mom and grandma of Marie Cavallier can not read the invitation says "tiaras may be worn", but you have read it of course.

Ana von Lowzow works for the yellow press, so she says what they want to hear.

Who the <removed crass word ~ GT> are BTW and her sister? :rolleyes:
 
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and the poor, poor mom and grandma of Marie Cavallier can not read the invitation says "tiaras may be worn",
Maybe they didn't want to wear one, maybe they don't own any.

Of course the wedding was a tiara event that is why people were wearing them and anyone who attended the wedding who owned a tiara could wear one if the choose to, just like Roger Moore's wife did.
 
Have you ever seen Carina Axelsson attending an aristocratic event out of Denmark since June 2006?

Because I am stuck here on bedrest with nothing else to do I decided to go have a quick look to see what I could find for you. Here is one event that Gustav and Carina attended on 10 June 2006: http://www.theroyalforums.com/forum...essen-laetitia-bechtolf-10-6-2006-a-9941.html have a look in the thread that GT suggested and you may find more.

A question, can you use since instead of after?

Because I wrote "since June 2006" and I mean every thing after this date.

Otherwise why do you think I mentioned specially this date? :cool:

Maybe they didn't want to wear one, maybe they don't own any.

Of course the wedding was a tiara event that is why people were wearing them and anyone who attended the wedding who owned a tiara could wear one if the choose to, just like Roger Moore's wife did.

Dear Amelia Roger Moore's wife has a Lady title because her husband is Sir Roger Moore. ;)
 
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You asked if she had attended any events since June 2006, well the answer to that question is since June 2006 she has attended this one and whatever others you find. Here is a question for you outside of Denmark how many aristcratic events has Gustav attended?
 
Let's move on from the whole Tiara Affair and When Was the Last Time Carina attended an Aristocratic Gathering, etc., etc., etc., okay?

If anyone wants to know the answer to the above questions or anything else about the couple, you will find it in this topic as well as in other sections of the Royal House of Denmark, German sub-forums, Royal Weddings sub-forums, and so forth.

Do your research. It is that simple.

Thank you.

GT:flowers:
 
So the will still hasn't been thrown out? This is the 21st century, what is taking the courts so long?
 
Is a de-facto relationship officially recognised by law in Germany. If so, then surely Gustav and Carina can live as husband and wife with all the benefits a husband and wife are entitled to and he won't lose out on his inheritance.

Stellad
 
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