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12-12-2008, 08:37 PM
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Does anyone know if Tatjana who once in 2001 was engaged to Jean de Vendôme is married now ?
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12-13-2008, 04:28 AM
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It appears from the genealogical sites that Duchess Tatiana remains unmarried.
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05-15-2009, 08:08 PM
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01-16-2010, 10:08 AM
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Herzogin Tatjana von Oldenburg, daughter of Herzog Johann and former fiancée of de Duc de Vendome has become engaged to Count Axel de Chavagnac.
Source: Le Figaro
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01-16-2010, 02:53 PM
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does the phrase "speaking of The devil" Come to mind...(Im NOT Calling her a devil its just a phrase
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01-27-2010, 05:19 PM
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I think it is such a shame that the marriage between her and Prince Jean never happened, all because she wouldn't convert to Cathlocism, now both have married non royals.
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01-28-2010, 09:05 PM
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Not royals,but nobles 
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04-18-2010, 04:10 PM
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Has someone a postal adress of the Grand Ducal House of Oldenburg?
Thank you,
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08-03-2010, 02:58 AM
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The marriage between duchess Tatjana and Axel de Chavagnac will be on 11th September 2010.
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08-03-2010, 06:19 AM
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Thank you, Ducci.
Does anybody know where the marriage will be held? In Germany or in France?
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08-03-2010, 10:25 PM
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I think it is such a shame that the marriage between her and Prince Jean never happened, all because she wouldn't convert to Cathlocism, now both have married non royals.
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Marc 23: Is Philomena de Tornos part of the Spanish nobility? I don't believe so... except very distantly, perhaps.
Fearghas: Is it documented that the reason why Tatjana and Jean didn't marry is because she refused to convert to Catholicism? If so, I would appreciate knowing the source. There have been rumors, of course, but people can say all kinds of things without foundation. And, in a world in which Catholic Archduke Georg of Habsburg could marry Lutheran Duchess Eilika of Oldenburg without any problem (and without her renouncing her Protestant faith), it's difficult to understand why the difference in their denomination -- which is not a difference in religion, since they are both Christian -- would prevent Prince Jean from marrying Duchess Tatjana.
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08-04-2010, 03:25 AM
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Marc 23: Is Philomena de Tornos part of the Spanish nobility? I don't believe so... except very distantly, perhaps.
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No, but her mother is an Austrian noble, and through her father she descends from various Spanish nobles. Her anscestors are listed here:
Ancestors of Philomena de Tornos y Steinhart
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Fearghas: Is it documented that the reason why Tatjana and Jean didn't marry is because she refused to convert to Catholicism? If so, I would appreciate knowing the source. There have been rumors, of course, but people can say all kinds of things without foundation. And, in a world in which Catholic Archduke Georg of Habsburg could marry Lutheran Duchess Eilika of Oldenburg without any problem (and without her renouncing her Protestant faith), it's difficult to understand why the difference in their denomination -- which is not a difference in religion, since they are both Christian -- would prevent Prince Jean from marrying Duchess Tatjana.
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There is no definate proof as none of the people involved said much about it in the press. However it was reported that that was one of the reasons. Still, I do believe that Jean once made a remark about it, and it was something along the lines that they just didn't have that much in common ... and Archduke Georg didn't have the formidable countess of Paris as a grandmother of course (or the Duchess of Montpensier as mother)  .
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On Nettys forum someone seemingly in the know said that while religion played a part (the habsburgs allowed brides to retain their religion but the Orleans wouldn't) but also that there were compatability issues. So a combination of both really. Better that they didn't marry, I just want more royal/royal marriages. Oh and having a noble mother doesn't make you a noble, unless the title an be inherited through the female line, as some of the Spanish and Scottish titles can be.
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Oh and having a noble mother doesn't make you a noble, unless the title an be inherited through the female line, as some of the Spanish and Scottish titles can be.
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I don't believe I ever said that it did  .
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08-04-2010, 08:34 AM
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I think the fact that A/D Georg was not the heir played a large part is his quest for acceptance of a Protestant wife. Karl's wife, Francesca, was Protestant and had to convert.
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I don't believe I ever said that it did . |
No you didn't. I only mentioned it because there are some people who think that by havng a noble mother makes you a noble. 
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09-12-2010, 06:42 AM
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Duchess Tatjana von Oldenburg and her fiancee Count Axel de Chavagnac were married at the Chapel of Schloss Eutin yesterday.
Duchess Tatjana wore a classical long white dress with a small train and she had a bouquet of pink flowers.
About 200 guests were present.
Prince Georg Friedrich of Prussia was very impressed by the beautiful ceremony.
Present were also Archduke Georg and Archduchess Eilika of Austria, sister and brother in law of the bride.
Szofia, Ildiko and Karoly Konstantin of Austria, nieces and nephew of the bride were flowergirls and page
for more pics: see Nobiliana MAG 2010
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One more interesting thing is that Jean and Philomena are related in several ways...they have both descended from several noble families such as Dobrzensky von Dobrzenicz,Martinic and Sternberg families...
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