Electoral and Grand Ducal House of Hesse (Brabant)

[kelly9480]

Constantine considers the Greek Royal House to be Glucksburgs, and Margrethe calls the Danish Royal House Glucksburgs, too. So I don't think it would be accurate for any of us to call them Oldenburgs when they say they are something else.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by kelly9480

Constantine considers the Greek Royal House to be Glucksburgs, and Margrethe calls the Danish Royal House Glucksburgs, too. So I don't think it would be accurate for any of us to call them Oldenburgs when they say they are something else.

In 1448 when King Christopher III died, the direct line of succession became extinct. The Danish nobility declared a descendant of Eric V, Count Christian of Oldenburg, king. The Oldenburgs, in one form or another, have ruled Denmark ever since.

Over the centuries the Oldenburg line divided into various branches (eg Kings of Denmark, Grand Dukes of Oldenburg, Dukes of Holstein, Holstein-Glucksburg, Holstein-Augustenburg, Holstein-Sonderburg etc).

When the direct line failed in 1863 a subsidiary branch of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg came into play, and inherited the throne. The main line of S-H-S-G continued to reign over their Duchy in Germany until 1918, and the current Duke still retains the family properties today.

As an analogy... assume all the descendants of Queen Elizabeth II and Princess Margaret were wiped out. The Throne of the United Kingdom would pass to the next in line, the Duke of Gloucester. King Richard IV could legitimately claim to be of the family of Gloucester, of the House of Windsor, as he would be both. Or, going back further, the Houses of York and Lancaster were just branches of the House of Plantaganet.

So, yes, the immediate Family name is S-H-S-Glucksburg, but of the House of Oldenburg.
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[kelly9480]

No, Constantine said he considered the House to Glucksburg, not just the name. Margrethe calls it the House of Glucksburg, as does Harald. None of them call their houses Oldenburg, regardless of what genealogy may dictate. (Same thing with how EIIR calls herself a Windsor, though she's from the Wettins, and Philip calls himself a Mountbatten, though he's not).

[Warren]

Yes, perhaps they prefer the Danish Glucksburg to the more German Oldenburg.
Just as the Luxembourg House dropped the Bourbon-Parma (although keeping the Royal Highness dignity that came with it!). And while the Belgians are of the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha (ie Wettin), they don't advertise the fact. On the Belgian RF website I couldn't find any mention of either House name or Family name.

So I guess they use whatever name they think most convenient.
In genealogical terms, the House of Oldenburg is significant because it gave Kings to Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Greece (and will do so for Great Britain when Charles ascends the throne), Emperors to Russia, Grand Dukes to Oldenburg, and Dukes to Schleswig-Holstein. A very successful dynasty!
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[kelly9480]

I was told that the Belgian royals had changed their dynasty name to "of Belgium" around WWII, though I never found any info to back that up.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by kelly9480

I was told that the Belgian royals had changed their dynasty name to "of Belgium" around WWII, though I never found any info to back that up.

kelly9480, still investigating this. On the Belgian RF website everyone is "of Belgium", but no mention of House or Family name, or "Dynasty" name.

This is what Wikipedia says:

Royal House

The term Royal House refers to the official designation and name of a royal family instead of surname.

Unlike Europeans, most of the world's Royal Families do not have surnames: those that have adopted them rarely use them. They are referred to instead by their titles, often related to an area ruled or once ruled by that family. The name of the Royal House is not a surname, just a way of identifying individuals.


Reigning European Sovereign Houses

• Belgium: Saxe-Coburg-Gotha

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[Alexandra]

I, too, am very interested in this tragedy and have myself asked about it in another royal message board. And I remember getting answered that Cecilia was pregnant, when the plane crashed. Then a dead baby's body was found in or near the crushed plane. It seems then that Cecilia gave birth just before the accident or the baby come off out of Cecilias ripped body. Sounds horrible.
Has some other heard of this story? It is quite true as far as I know.

[Alexandra]

I try to add a couple of photos of the Hessen family.

And I am very sorry, but I don't know any more where I got the pictures from.

In the first picture are little Johanna with her uncle Ludwig and his wife.
In the second picture are the Hessen family, Donatus, Celilia and the children.

[Alexandra]

GEORG DONATUS Wilhelm Nikolaus Eduard Heinrich Karl, Hereditary Grand Duke of Hessen and the Rhine, Darmstadt 8.11.1906-Steene, Ostende 16.11.1937, married in Darmstadt (civ) 23.1.1931 (rel) 2.2.1931

Cecilie Pss of Greece and Denmark, Tatoi 22.6.1911-Steene, Ostende 16.11.1937, married in Darmstadt (civ) 23.1.1931 (rel) 2.2.1931

Children:

Ludwig Ernst Andreas, Darmstadt 25.10.1931-Steene, Ostende 16.11.1937

Alexander Georg Karl Heinrich, Darmstadt 14.4.1933-Steene, Ostende 16.11.1937

Johanna Marina Eleonore, Schloß Wolfsgarten 20.9.1936-Darmstadt 14.6.1939

[AKIOU]

After seeing this wonderful picture of Prince Nikolas' Family (source: www.genealogics.org), I have decided that my below guess that my family picture was a potrait of Princess Cecilie was probably wrong.

[Alexandra]

At last I found this addresse:

http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Greek_Royal_Family.htm#16.74a


"Hereditary Grand Duke Georg Donatus, his wife Princess Cecilia, two sons, Alexander and Ludwig, and his mother, Princess Eleonora, were killed in an aeroplane accident near Ostende. Princess Cecilia was eight months pregnant at the time of the crash and the baby's body was discovered amongst the wreckage. The party were on their way to CroydonAirport to attend the wedding of his brother Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine to Margaret Geddes." 5.2143 16.73

"Princess Johanna died later of meningitis. She had been adopted by her uncle Ludwig following the tragic death of her parents and siblings."

[wymanda]

Originally Posted by Alexandra

At last I found this addresse:

http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_raymond/Greek_Royal_Family.htm#16.74a


" Princess Cecilia was eight months pregnant at the time of the crash and the baby's body was discovered amongst the wreckage. "

Amazing how easy such things were back then. Today she would not have been allowed to fly that late in her pregnancy!
I've actually been surprised how much travelling Pncss Maxima is doing so late in her pregnancy.

[kelly9480]

Women are not banned from flying until the last 3 weeks, and we don't know how far into the 8th month she was.

[Alexandra]

Was it a thunderstorm, the plane got crashed? I seem to have read it was.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Alexandra

Was it a thunderstorm, the plane got crashed?

I believe it was heavy fog, the plane was flying too low, and it crashed into an industrial chimney.

[Charles]

The fact that they call themselves Glücksburg doesn't negate the fact that they belong to the house of Oldenburg.

I can call myself anything I want, but I still being to the von Hamm family.

[Bella]

Great pictures, JuliaMontague. What an adorable little girl. This is such a tragic story. If only she had lived. It's so sad. It must have been just devastating for the family.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Bella

Great pictures, JuliaMontague. What an adorable little girl. This is such a tragic story. If only she had lived. It's so sad. It must have been just devastating for the family.

One should never forget that she had a protected life and died shortly before WWII which killed millions of children. So who's to say how her life would have been had she survived?

[Kelly]

What a sad story! So are there any descendants from P. Cecile?

[magnik]

Originally Posted by Kelly

What a sad story! So are there any descendants from P. Cecile?

No. All her three children died young so there's no other descendants.
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=en;i=52670

More story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes...ce_and_Denmark