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Old 05-29-2010, 07:16 AM
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No, not in 1983 when a controversy arose , on the last name then was when he started to say it was Glubsburg because it was the surname of Danish Royal House. I had an interview with Constantine in 1983 (because was born Teodora) where he says the surname of the Danish royal house is not Glubsburg, Glubsburgis a title that belonged to a territory that is now Germany, but this was not the name.Constantino said in that interview that Greece was Republic he didnīt used the title of King .
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The answer must be in a project that should be developed by a school or Heraldry study to determine which was surname, stripped of titles of nobility ... The various studies of schools of Heraldy, have been very contradictory answers, because what logic is that would have unanimity in determine it , the surname of the Glubsburg,
the title of King, depends of the states, Greece is a Republic.
In European , the monarchical magazines, as is logic, say King but this is not a valid for the state. In the interview at any time was not used the word king, and was for a magazine monarchy.
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:16 AM
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But shouldn't they both at some point of had Greek Citizenship, they married there, they lived there.
yes, of course they had greek citizenship. i thought this didn't want confirmation.

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Old 05-31-2010, 04:43 PM
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The thing is that the family really needs to adopt a surname because otherwise they will probably face legal problems in the future. Right now they might have diplomatic passports from Denmark but who knows how long they will be able to keep them. At some point the Danish government might protest really hard because after all a diplomatic passport has to be given in very specific situations. And who knows if in 50 years or so Christian will be willing to assist his great aunt's expanding family in such a way.
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Old 05-31-2010, 05:07 PM
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I believe that the end of the law 1994 is consider the entire dynasty as foreign. This has been made by a democratic country, the law reflects the will of the people,

Following this law, the ancestors and the same King of Greece are become foreigners, they are stateless, at the request of the family, carrying as proof the law that deprives them of the consideration of Greeks, the Danish Government accepts that the first member of the dynasty, George was Danish and following it, after the disappearance of Greek citizenship by law in Greece, they given passports to members of the Greek Royal Family of Denmark.

Not the first time this happened, the Queen Olga of Greece died with Danish passport. The Queen had to seek assistance from Denmark to leave Russia, Denmark gave her and other members of the Russian royal family passport, she died years later with Danish passport,
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I donīt know the name that appears in the passport of the Greek royal family, this could be anything from Glusbsburg to any other including the Queen federika surname, this passport is legal in Greece, Denmark and Europa.

The Greek law has a purpose regarded as foreign to the Family , it expresses the will of Greece who is a democratic republic.
Constantine said that:
He respects Greek law that is expressing the will of the Greek people.


Regarding the International Olympic Committee is an independent international body to Member States and is governed by internal rules. when Constantine had won the Olympic gold medal, he had passport of Greece.The Olympic Committee is an international Internacional organ INDEPENDENT of the governed, it has their own rules.

The passport of the King of Greece can not cause problems in the future because it has received approval from the European Commission
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Old 05-31-2010, 05:41 PM
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I am not so sure Beltraneja because the passport King Constantine holds it is not a regular Danish passport but a diplomatic one and there are different standards for handing those. So I believe that one day (not in Margrethe's lifespan I believe) a member of the Danish Parliament might start questioning his right to hold a diplomatic passport and not a regular one.
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Old 05-31-2010, 05:53 PM
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I do not believe it, because the European Commission monitored the passport. The situation was complicated because the European laws forbidding to leave to the person in position of statelessness, Constantine did not want more controversy and he requested the passport of Denmark, Denmark not opposed to it.The organs of the European Union were satisfied, the problem was resolved
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Old 06-01-2010, 04:53 AM
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Oh well,he was Greek while winning the gold at the Olympics but member of a foreign dynasty when the problems began.Anyway,although i think that nobody should doubt about his Greekness since he was born and raised here and et cetera,i think it's best for them living abroad.Nobody can live in a place with all this hate around him.
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Old 06-01-2010, 06:50 AM
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Greek sentiment but with Danish passport.
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Old 06-01-2010, 07:32 AM
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^ Yes,something like that.
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Old 06-10-2010, 03:35 AM
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Oh well,he was Greek while winning the gold at the Olympics but member of a foreign dynasty when the problems began.Anyway,although i think that nobody should doubt about his Greekness since he was born and raised here and et cetera,i think it's best for them living abroad.Nobody can live in a place with all this hate around him.
I don't think the Greek people hate King Constantine anymore. In fact, he goes places when in Greece and nobody cares. And even with a Danish passport, he can live in Greece permanently if he so chooses.

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I do not believe it, because the European Commission monitored the passport. The situation was complicated because the European laws forbidding to leave to the person in position of statelessness, Constantine did not want more controversy and he requested the passport of Denmark, Denmark not opposed to it.The organs of the European Union were satisfied, the problem was resolved
There is no central European Union authority overseeing passports for the simple reason that the European Union has not yet been politically integrated.
Sunflower is right when she talks about a special-status diplomatic passport issued by Denmark to King Constantine and his family. It is a courtesy diplomatic passport and not equivalent or equal to that granted to Danish citizens.
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Old 06-10-2010, 06:10 AM
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The European Commissions have assigned the function of monitoring compliance with the law of the European Union."upholding the Union's treaties ".
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The situation of stateless is prohibited by Community law. The mission of the commission is to ensure that compliance with the Treaty by States members.
The Commission acted on the basis of its compliance function of monitoring law of the European Union. the problem was resolved, Denmark agree to grant a passport, the situation of stateless disappeared.

I think that the problem could have been resolved, the Government of Greece could have gave a new passport, but doesnīt it. Proper would had been that Greece, who it left to a persons in a situation of stateless, person without a passport, would have been required to return or gave a new passport to these persons.
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Old 06-10-2010, 09:54 AM
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The European Commissions have assigned the function of monitoring compliance with the law of the European Union."upholding the Union's treaties ".
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The situation of stateless is prohibited by Community law. The mission of the commission is to ensure that compliance with the Treaty by States members.
The Commission acted on the basis of its compliance function of monitoring law of the European Union. the problem was resolved, Denmark agree to grant a passport, the situation of stateless disappeared.

I think that the problem could have been resolved, the Government of Greece could have gave a new passport, but doesnīt it. Proper would had been that Greece, who it left to a persons in a situation of stateless, person without a passport, would have been required to return or gave a new passport to these persons.
The Eurpean Union never got involved or interested in the case of King Constantine. If there is a specific document pertaining to the case of King Constantine, I would appreciate it if you presented it to us.
Most European countries have asylum laws for people persecuted in the countries of their origin due to religious, political or ohter beliefs and reasons and there is also a European Court of Human Rights.
With respect to why the Greek Government has not issued a passport to King Constantine, I reviewed past posts herein which amply explain the reason, in essence the requirement by the Greek Constitution that all citizens have a surname of their choice. To this, King Constantine insists that he had no surname. However, this does not suffice as an explanation on his part since no one stops him from adopting one of his choice.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:02 AM
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You do not confuse the laws of asylum and refuge with the situation of stateless, this is different. The Commission did not intervened, was moderator, the Commission would have acted if the king had put the lawsuit before the Court of Luxembourg, the court of Strasbourg is the human right, the Luxembourg is the European Union. The King constantine did not wanted put the lawsuit. This is different, the Court of Straboug, Human rights and Court of Luxemboug, Treaty on European union
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:12 PM
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You do not confuse the laws of asylum and refuge with the situation of stateless, this is different. The Commission did not intervened, was moderator, the Commission would have acted if the king had put the lawsuit before the Court of Luxembourg, the court of Strasbourg is the human right, the Luxembourg is the European Union. The King constantine did not wanted put the lawsuit. This is different, the Court of Straboug, Human rights and Court of Luxemboug, Treaty on European union
The European Union did neither intervene nor moderate for it has neither authority nor right to do so and it would never try to interfere for, insofar as it (the EU, that is) is concerned, King Constantine is just another citizen or non-citizen like you and me.
Last but not least, the country of his birth and origin, Greece, that is, has not rejected his application for citizenship in its merits but because he refused to acknoledge the Constitution which requires ALL Greek citizens to have a surname or adopt one of their own free will and choice. Thus, the reason he did not take his case to a European Court is because he had no case of discrimination to argue against, thus his claim would have been dropped as non-meritorious.
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:49 PM
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"The European Union did neither intervene nor moderate"mistake, example: 5 months ago, a leader of Sahara, at the airport in Lanzarote, Spain asked the Government of Spain to be in situation of stateless because Morocco had denied her passport. The Spanish Minister of Foreign Affairs had to give explanations to the European Union on the situation of this woman. Spain at the Commission explained that this lady was not in a situation of stateless because she was Moroccan passport, Spain had to explain to the European union complied with international conventions about stateless. The European Union, required Marocco Solution to the problem. . The King of Greece may have recourse to the courts, but did not, for what? . The law(1994) was just or unjust, was the will of the Greek people, and this was that the dynasty will be considered from their foreign origins. For law of 1994 that he was born in Greece is irrelevant, and non-existent by law ..... He assumed the Danish passport, the passport is valid in Greece and consistent with its law of 1994 and is valid in the European Union ... What is for Constatine more secure to have a passport danish, english or a greek passport ? A example: If he would travel to a foreing country and in this country would have a revolution, he would have to leave the country, for it, with his passport(Denmark, Engand or Greece) He would have to request be evacuated by the embassy that corresponds to your passport. Which of the three countries he would give greater guarantees to be evacuated?and less? The use of the law of 1994, in my opinion was an exaggeration, to use the law and not administrative channels, I think this was a exageration. The law against a person and his family . Today I think there is not any problem between the Royal Family and the Greek State, the passport is no problem. This is not an issue, it is accepted in Greece because it is consistent with the objectives of the Act 1994 and is valid throughout the European Union and abroad.
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Old 06-11-2010, 07:16 AM
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I have difficulty understanding the point you are trying to make here.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:14 AM
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The Union Europea is moderator in this type of problem, in Spain and with others countries of the Union. If the Government of Greece wanted to delete the surname of former King and his family, they did not need a law, they could have done it administratively, for example, when the former king would had to renew his passport, they could deleted the passport. This is obviously,they used the law because they knew that this would have a greater impact. A stateless person is a person without a passport. A passport is for travel, a person can not travel without passport, it also serves to request diplomatic protection to an embassy. When a person has a problem in a foreign country, luggage theft, theft of money, armed conflict in that country and the airports is closed, you can not leave the country. .... People may seek help from the embassy of your passport , The embassy are obligated to help, to leave the country .... .If one day you have a problem in a foreign country go to your embassy and ask to help , . In the hypothetical case: if you would be a member of the royal family and would have a problem abroad. Which would be the embassy that give you more guarantees to help ??and which less?Denmark, England or Greece.
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:33 PM
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why dou you ask it????he has passport danish.
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:47 PM
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I say this because I think that the passport danish is more secures to the royal family..The use of a law is very strong instrument, is a all against a family. It sets a precedent impossible to eliminate, this passport can not give guarantees, it is impossible....It is possible that the grandchildren of the King of Greece would qualify for the greek passport with all the guarantees, but the kings and their sons, this is impossible,
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:57 PM
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but if the law would be abolished, it is possible that the family would have greek passport
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