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Old 10-22-2015, 09:57 AM
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What are the parties that defend the monarchy in Greece?
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:26 PM
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The only way forward to restoring a monarchy that has either fallen into disrepute or faded from memory, is to do what some Royal Families do more and more these days: move back to the native land, participate in charitable and selfless tasks, not seek out publicity or attention, not speak with ambition, but show grace, dignity and a willingness to serve in whatever way the people want.

That way, people can see who their royalty really are, and learn to know, and respect them (again). The Hellenic RF has done the right thing; gone home. For now, that's all they should do.
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:35 AM
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All that you describe match the Kings and Nikolaos with Tatiana. But unfortunately we can not say the same for the Crown Prince couple.
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:52 AM
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All that you describe match the Kings and Nikolaos with Tatiana. But unfortunately we can not say the same for the Crown Prince couple.

Given the Crown Prince couple's disinterest in Greece maybe in the unlikely event of a restoration it won't be Pavlos that ascends the throne but his brother - stranger things has happened in the turmoil that is the Greek monarchy
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Old 10-24-2015, 12:14 PM
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Yes the monarchy in Greece he has been through many upheavals. And as for what can happen all the possibilities are open. But the possibility of a return of the monarchy in Greece is soooo distant.
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Nevertheless there is certainly less bostility towards the Royal Family in Greece and the Crown Prince seems to be genuinly interested in what's going on in the country.
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Old 11-11-2017, 01:18 AM
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Anything New for Greece?

Any new polls for the possibility for a Greek restoration at all? Are more people in favor or against or just plain indifferent? I understand if this isn't really a priority for the Greek people giving the economic crisis and all but I'm just curious.

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Old 11-11-2017, 03:39 AM
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Any new polls for the possibility for a Greek restoration at all? Are more people in favor or against or just plain indifferent? I understand if this isn't really a priority for the Greek people giving the economic crisis and all but I'm just curious.

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Even in this decade, when the dysfunctional state of Greece was rocking on its foundations, completely bankrupt and kept alive by EU states pumping billions in the bottomless pitt, all and everything happened but zero comma zero about "bring back the King". So any chance on a restoration is absent in Greece.
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Old 11-11-2017, 08:23 AM
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We do not do surveys about the form of state. The King spoke in 2016, on the SKAI channel (Greece), it was a interview. He said, that in order to restore a monarchy, it is necessary that these values ​​exist in the people and they would be the majority.

He believes that, at present , these values ​​do not exist in the majority of Greek society, but he does not renounce the monarchy, because It is a form of state that works, as the countries with monarchy in Europe, Denmark, Sweden or Norway... are innovative in democratic politics and have a monarchy.

The King affirms that the values ​​of a society change, as it can be seen today, the future is uncertain, and the values ​​change, that is obvious, so in the future if those values change and majority people want the monarchy, the King would accept it. BUT he recognizes that, in 2016, is the interview, does not exist in most of the Greeks those values.

In conclusion, the monarchy works and it is very advantageous, but to be restored should have values ​​ the majority of society, at present, these monarchical values ​​do not exist in majority society of Greece.

And now, I speak in my opinion. I believe that the King is right, and he is realistic.

Other people talk about intermediate figures, a King with a status in the republic ... but this has been rejected even by the King.
Many people think that Prince Nikolaos would be a good politician, they think that he would be an excellent politician,but that is a thought, he is not a politician and does not work in politics. but they thing this.
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Old 11-11-2017, 09:43 AM
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Does alguma monarchical Associação na Greece? Gostava know qual é a percentagem de royalist na Greece.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:33 AM
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Many people think that Prince Nikolaos would be a good politician, they think that he would be an excellent politician,but that is a thought, he is not a politician and does not work in politics. but they thing this.
Let the exampe of Mr Simeon Sakskoburggotski (Simeon von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, the former King of Bulgaria) be a wise lesson for Prince Pavlos or Nikolaos: stay away from politics!

All the credits King Simeon had when he returned to Bulgaria soon became lost when he became Prime Minister Sakskoburggotski and had to defend unpopular political measures.

As a result, the wave of goodwill for the monarchy (to an extent the Greeks can only dream of), the momentum was not seized and now the Bulgarian monarchy is in obscurity, mainly living in Spain.
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:51 AM
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In the interview of SKAI, the journalist asked to the King about the possibility what his son, Nikolaos, could works in politic, and King Constantine said that it was not true, his son will not be politician. In another interview in 2014, Konstantino said that he did not share King Simeon's decision to dedicate to politics, he respected Simeon, but he did not share it, Konstantino said , a King never mutates in politics.
I respect, also King Simeon, but I agree, his decision to be political, divided to the Bulgarian monarchists, because many did not identify with his political ideology.
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Old 11-11-2017, 01:37 PM
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Former King Constantine himself has lost his own throne by being too involved and partisan in the very divisive Greek political landscape. I think former King Constantine is the very last one to teach former King Simeon a lesson... ;-)
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:24 PM
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Former King Constantine himself has lost his own throne by being too involved and partisan in the very divisive Greek political landscape. I think former King Constantine is the very last one to teach former King Simeon a lesson... ;-)
That’s the standard view but there may well be revisionist views in the future based on new evidence and a change of attitude. One set narritive of history is not healthy and the older version DetP outlines above is very flawed and raises more questions than it answers.

This in fact applies more broadly to the end of most European monarchies actually

That trad view has always come off to me as a bit reductive and unfair as it ignores the actions of others, wider social context Greece’s political unrest, and the structural flaws of the political system.
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From 10 years ago, have been published in Greece biographic, autobiographic, Documents, reports ... but especially since the year 2009 in which Greece suffered a serious political instability, which fractionated Parliament in political parties, imposibilito the creation of a stable government, and in where the President of the Republic, head of State, had to take decisions, to solve the problem,being
its criticized powers, especially for the political ideologies of the left, even proposing the constitutional change to modify the powers of the Head of State and the election way. The press has referred to the 60s of the last century, remembering that this problem of political instability has already happened in the past. And all of this has allowed us to see how the facts in Greece are developed and how they are developing, realizing how the institutions of the Greek state work, and burying standars versions.



I am to speak about Italy like reference because I see that the people know more Italy than greece politic system.
In Greece it is similar, from 1952.
The Italian constitutional system, as can be seen today, the Prime Minister is elected by the vote of confidence of the Italian parliament, and that Prime Minister is proposed by the President of the Republic. The Prime Minister does not necessarily have to be the most voted person in the elections, but the person who gets the most votes among the Congressmen of the parliament. The last two Prime Ministers of Italy have not come out of a general election, they have resulted from the votes of the parliament and the proposal of the President of the Republic. The Italians know that the general elections are to elect the parliament and that it is the President of the Republic who proposes to the Prime Minister and this has to be voted in the parliament, a vote of confidence.absolute majority.

In Greece it is similar, from 1952.(in Portugal, Spain...) the diferent between Republic or Monarchy:

If the President of the Republic proposes a person to Prime Minister, which is his competence, the press, especially the left says, "attributed powers", but if a King does it within his powers, they says "political powers" (and the left represents him as an absolutist king). but it is the same constitution.
Now I'm going to Spain.
When, in January, in Spain, the party more voted is PP(Mariano Rajoi). But in parliament, he has not enough congressmen to absolute majority. King Felipe called Mariano Rajoi and offered to propose him as Prime Minister, but Mariano Rajoi did not accept being proposed. after, King Felipe called to the President of the socialist party(Peter Sanchez), a political party qualified as an authentic loser of the elections because, he lost an exaggeration of votes in the parliament, receiving the least support of his democratic period. The king proposed him as a candidate in parliament, Peter .ñ

Okay, I remember read critizes to the King Felipe of followers of the right, criticizing the King for proposing Peter as a candidate, they said that the King had to convoke elections and they remembered that Peter had lost the elections. (It reminds me of something that happened in Greece in 1965 ??). Even Spanish press said that the King was of the PSOE and the Queen Letizia of Podemos ... (It reminds me of something from the past).

Time passed and in Spain a new government was not elected, then some newspapers said, (The King does nothing). (It reminds me of something from the past).

Paul iglesias is a spanish politician, he is of lefts ideology, in greece the press speak much about he, because is friend of Tsipras. The Spanish politician, he remember me the Greek leftist politicians of the 60´s, even some of the messages that he has published in his Twitter account are identified to the messages of the Greek leaders of that time. He attacks to the King , he says that the King is of Franco, putting him on posters with the flag of the Franco era.

He attacks the King in a constant way, when the King proposes a candidate for parliament, when the King makes a visit to a foreign country that Pablo does not like because the country is he says that is "capitalist", always attacks to the King. He identifies the King with Franco and says that the King is Franco, even his followers put photomontages of King Felipe with Franco, he is always saying that the King is of right ideology and that he is with Mariano Rajoi, that the King is capitalist. ..

A few weeks ago, the King felipe intervened on television because the Catalan anti-systems, want to make a declaration of indpendence ... he defended the unity of Spain, and strongly criticized the action of anti-systems and their irresponsibility. Pablo Iglesias defended the Catalan separatists, made a statement again KIng, it remeber to me 60´s, he said that King Felipe intervened in Spanish politic and that King was defendeing to Mariano Rajoi, he spoke about a complot of King - Mariano Rajoi , he and his followers said that Rajoi and King had created a block of rights against Catalonia, and members of his formation said that the king's message violated the 1978 constitution.

Do I have to believe what Pablo says? I do not believe what Pablo Iglesias says because I know he is a Republican and that he only wants a republic, which is why he is always criticizing the King (The Papandreou was like Paul , the standard version) ).

This is true I want to make it clear that the HISTORICAL CONTEXT is very different.

We were in the Cold War, USA-URSS, Greece was an allied country of the USA, which was surrounded by communist countries and with many interests of foreign countries.

Obviously this is not the same historical context, but the functioning of the institutions and their traffic jam is the same, and the political figures that appear have similar messages.

I don´t think that King Felipe is of Franco or of rights ideology, I don´t think that King Felipe and Mariano Rajoi have maden block of rights against Catalonia and Podemos.
I don´t think it because I have lived a similar situation in my country in the past and know very well this menssagers and the damage that this can do.
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Old 11-12-2017, 06:58 PM
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The English language press hasn’t said much about the Royal dimension in Spain’s problems but your points about the parallels with Greece and Southern Europe,and the republic/monarch dimension, along with sloppy media reporting, are facinating and precinct. Thank you ��
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Even though the chances of restoration are distant at best I wonder if Greeks are honestly happy with the Golden Dawn, the Communist Party of Greece and Syriza (the parties that are most against the restoration of the monarchy from what I've heard)? It is no doubt that Greece is essentially a sick man of Europe at the moment and the massive debt just seems depressive but still it wouldn't hurt for people to consider an alternative that won't get the country alienated from Europe and NATO would it? I understand that there are bigger concerns in the nation right now regarding lack of jobs, high debt, populations becoming ever smaller, and of course corruption but still it wouldn't hurt for the Greeks to just say "this isn't working" and maybe try something else like restoring the monarchy. I mean that would probably be a good first step in my opinion, just realize the republic isn't working, who knows restoring the monarchy would probably be a lot better than this mess they're in right now.

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How would restoring the monarchy exactly change the parties that are in charge? A constitutional monarchy might help to create some sense of unity (over time - although Pavlos en Marie-Chantal don't seem to be the people who would evoke that response) but doesn't change which parties gain a majority in parliament.

Continuing on the thought above. If Greece would decide to reinstate the monarchy, couldn't they do so while changing from agnatic (or did they have a different rule before the monarchy was abolished?) to absolute primogeniture succession at the same time; making princess Alexia the new heir? Or would Konstantinos not accept such a condition?
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I think who would be the best person to be King was Prince Nikolaos. But there are rules and that it would probably be the Prince Pavlos the next King.
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