The position of the Royal Family and attitudes to restoration

[Jaya]

Originally Posted by CrownPrincess5

I read a really touching article in a magazine some time ago. Pavlos mentioned how much he would like to be apart of Greece and how the RF is trying to ingratiate themselves with the people. Pavlos said it was sad that he doesn't have a country to rule, unlike his other royal friends. I do hope one day their throne will be restored...but then again, I just hope Greece does whats best for Greece.

If the Greeks ever get the Elgin Marbles back then there might be chances for a restoration of the monarchy.

[Cory]

Nobody knows the future of Greece because Greece changed between Monarchy and Republic different times.The problem is that Crown Prince pavlos should go and live in Greece and be better known by the people.

[Kastalia]

Originally Posted by Cory

Nobody knows the future of Greece because Greece changed between Monarchy and Republic different times.

Nobody knows the future of Greece? I guess you mean that nobody knows the future of the ex-royal family of Greece who was kicked out.Trust me you have no idea about how Pavlos would be treated if he lived in Greece,especially now with all that crisis thing.

Jaya,i respect you as member here and you seem to be a very thoughtful person but what has the return of the Elgin Marbles to do with restoration? The Elgin Marbles case has to do with Greek culture and history and Glucksburgs with monarchy.There will be no chance of restoration in Greece.People ignore them,if you lived in Greece you would know that they get a very low publicity when they come here,and they are always monked.

[GRspecialforces]

Originally Posted by Jaya

If the Greeks ever get the Elgin Marbles back then there might be chances for a restoration of the monarchy.

what? how did you combine these two?

Originally Posted by Kastalia

Nobody knows the future of Greece? I guess you mean that nobody knows the future of the ex-royal family of Greece who was kicked out.Trust me you have no idea about how Pavlos would be treated if he lived in Greece,especially now with all that crisis thing.

Jaya,i respect you as member here and you seem to be a very thoughtful person but what has the return of the Elgin Marbles to do with restoration? The Elgin Marbles case has to do with Greek culture and history and Glucksburgs with monarchy.There will be no chance of restoration in Greece.People ignore them,if you lived in Greece you would know that they get a very low publicity when they come here,and they are always monked.

i can see a warm welcome for his american wife too, who will talk about the latest fashion news all the time. oh god, what do they think here? the marbles, souvlaki, anna-maria, mousaka, acropolis, everything they heard about greece seems to be combined for them. like in that silly vardalos' movies...
no offence meant, but...but!

gregory

[roimat]

Originally Posted by Kastalia

Nobody knows the future of Greece? I guess you mean that nobody knows the future of the ex-royal family of Greece who was kicked out.Trust me you have no idea about how Pavlos would be treated if he lived in Greece,especially now with all that crisis thing.

Jaya,i respect you as member here and you seem to be a very thoughtful person but what has the return of the Elgin Marbles to do with restoration? The Elgin Marbles case has to do with Greek culture and history and Glucksburgs with monarchy.There will be no chance of restoration in Greece.People ignore them,if you lived in Greece you would know that they get a very low publicity when they come here,and they are always monked.

What terrible lies can one person tell in so many little words...When they are here, the members of the Royal Family are ALWAYS greeted with joy from everybody. You probably don't live in Greece...

[Vlaha Karatsokaros]

Originally Posted by roimat

What terrible lies can one person tell in so many little words...When they are here, the members of the Royal Family are ALWAYS greeted with joy from everybody. You probably don't live in Greece...

Neither statement is true to the point. The overwhelming majority do not care about the former royal family.
And certainly, 43 years after their departure, no one can blame Greece's ordeal onto them.
In a way, one may say, that the Greek royals took their "revenge" because up untlil 1974, many Greeks were attributing Greece's vicissitudes to the monarchy.
Forty-three years later, and following 20 years of "clepto-socialist" rule, the Greeks know, now, with certainty that, neither the monarchy nor the conservative party, but themselves are the exclusive cause of Greece's misfortunes!!

[Kastalia]

Originally Posted by roimat

When they are here, the members of the Royal Family are ALWAYS greeted with joy from everybody. You probably don't live in Greece...

Yeah right,i don't live in Greece.. I walk outside the Presidential Mansion only three times a day while going to work down-town,and each time i think of all those ridiculous demands they made.The point is that you and me probably live in different planets and not just country.And i'd like to give emphasis on the fact that i don't have leftist backround at all,i'm very conservative.
''They are always greeted with joy from everyone..''
Whatever you say..They only journalists that always write indeed positive articles about them are the columnists of life&style magazine.Seriously now.The rest of the press monk them.And common people ingore them,Vlaha is right.And it is even worse.The only member of the ex-royal family that is treated respectfully by people and press is Princess Irene.

[GRspecialforces]

Originally Posted by roimat

What terrible lies can one person tell in so many little words...When they are here, the members of the Royal Family are ALWAYS greeted with joy from everybody. You probably don't live in Greece...

for a start, these things cannot be black or white. there are a lot of colors in the middle too. secondly, when you see people welcoming them in greece with such great joy, as you say, did you ever wonder that maybe this happens not because they're all monarchists (how many of them do we have?), but becuase the part of the press that licks them have made them huge "stars" over the years? what angelina and what monica bellucci? we have marie-chantal and tatiana with their glamorous looks. when they visit, they cause bigger panic and enthusiasm than the hollywood stars... the beautiful children, the perfect smiles and families, the wedding that's coming... just look around you. 10 years ago we didn't even know who they are. last year i heard for the 1st time that constantine has two more children. no kidding, just think about it a bit.

with respect,
gregory

[Cory]

Princess Maria-Chantal does not seem to know how to deal with the greek people.I suppose she does not even know Greek.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Cory

Princess Maria-Chantal does not seem to know how to deal with the greek people.I suppose she does not even know Greek.

Sorry to ask but why should she know how to deal with the people of a country she does not rule over or live in?
And why should she learn a language, when she is undoubtedly unlikely to use it.

[Cory]

Because she is Duchess of Sparta anh her husband is the Crown Prince of Greece.Doesn't matter if her husband will ever become King.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Cory

Because she is Duchess of Sparta anh her husband is the Crown Prince of Greece.Doesn't matter if her husband will ever become King.

And?
She is the Crown Princess of Greece, but none of her 5 children have been born anywhere near Greek land, she lives in London, and I cannot remember the last time she was in Greece. Presumably she's attending Nikolaos' wedding.
I wouldn't learn something i'm never going to use.

[Cory]

It means she does not understand the history of her husband's Family.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Cory

It means she does not understand the history of her husband's Family.

How?
Just because she hasn't, and we don't know this, learnt the language?

[Cory]

The greeks do not consider her as a greek.They would certainly consider Tatiana Blatnik more.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Cory

The greeks do not consider her as a greek.They would certainly consider Tatiana Blatnik more.

Well she isn't greek, she's only married to one.
But I ask again, what does her not learning the language have anything to do with her not knowing her husbands family history?

[Kastalia]

^ I'm sure she knows her husband's family history,you're right. But Cory is also right,Greeks don't consider her Greek at all and it is normal since she was not born/raised/educated etc here. MC is American,rich and famous and actually brings sparkle to her family-in-law. But i don't see why she should learn Greek since she won't live here.It's not like Princess Mary that has to learn Danish or Princess Maxima.She a member of an ex-Royal family so..

[Cory]

A person who marries a greek must learn greek and raise her children as greeks.A Princess of Greece must know the language of the country.Why does she convert to orthodoxy if she is not interested in Greece and in the Royal Family of Greece?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Kastalia

^ I'm sure she knows her husband's family history,you're right. But Cory is also right,Greeks don't consider her Greek at all and it is normal since she was not born/raised/educated etc here. MC is American,rich and famous and actually brings sparkle to her family-in-law. But i don't see why she should learn Greek since she won't live here.It's not like Princess Mary that has to learn Danish or Princess Maxima.She a member of an ex-Royal family so..

That's exactly what i'm saying. I'm sure she at least understands her husband past.
I'm not surprised you don't consider her greek, she's done nothing to be greek and to be honest, why should she?
She didn't even marry in Greece, like you say Mary, Maxima, Marie all had to learn Danish and Dutch when they married because they became part of reigning family.

Originally Posted by Cory

A person who marries a greek must learn greek and raise her children as greeks.A Princess of Greece must know the language of the country.Why does she convert to orthodoxy if she is not interested in Greece and in the Royal Family of Greece?

No she doesn't.
Pavlos hardly insisted that she had to do this, so it is quite clear he didn't want to. She is a princess of a non-reigning family, why should she do anything for Greece? just because she holds a "courtesy" title.
She had to convert to greek orthodoxy to marry did she not?
She isn't interested in Greece, she was interested in marrying her husband. As for the royal family, i'm sure she knows Constantine, Anne-Marie and the others very closely.

[Cory]

With such a wife Crown Prince Pavlos won't ever be very popular in his country.