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#41
11-24-2003, 01:07 AM
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For instance, the family name of the British Royal Family is Windsor. Howeve,r the the QE II"s children are technically Mounbatten-Windsors. This was the last name on the marriage certificates of Anne, Andrew, and Edward. Charles's marriage certificate had his full name and referred to him as HRH the Prince of Wales. IIRC, Sarah Ferguson kept her maiden name after her marriage. I am a lay geneologist and royal watcher too, btw.  Besides, Constantine and his family are no longer royal family, insofar as they are not the legal representatives of a state. It may have been okay in Greece, but, AFAIK, in Britain you have to have a last name (Although I'm sure some exceptions are made, I don't see one being made for MC. She isn't that noteworthy) :P . 
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#42
11-24-2003, 01:17 AM
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the Queen and her children are actually Windsors (if it's true that royals do have last names). It's the next generation that are actually M-W, although I'm not convinced that royals do have last names. I seem to recall this causing a bit of contraversy with a few disposed monarchies.
Side note. Isn't geneology facinating? It's amazing to think of how just about everyone's connected in some way
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#43
11-24-2003, 01:30 AM
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However, as I stated previously, they are known by their titles and not their full names. Besides, those deposed are, for the most part, subjected to the same laws as everyone else is. MC doesn't get special treatment because her father-in-law happens to be the former King of Greece. AFAIK, to live and work in the US (at least legally) you need a last name, no matter who you are related to. The same goes for Britain.
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#44
11-24-2003, 01:42 AM
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I thought it changed because of certain things, like the Windsors were S-C-G (I can't spell it, but I think you know what I mean) but because of the war, they changed it. Also, the house of orange-nassau is still that, despite there being 3 queens in a row. and the Luxembourg changed to nassau instead of what it was, due to the unequal marriage (in the eyes of the Bourbon-Parma head of household's view) of G-D Henri.
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#45
11-24-2003, 03:14 AM
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You are right about the Netherlands, but there was a decision there not to change the House name. Queen Beatrix's children, however, use the name Amsberg for legal purposes. Her neices and nephews use the surnmes of their fathers. For instance, the children of Princess Margareit are Princes of Orange-Nassau (not the Netherlands), but use the Van Vollenhoven last name (e.g. Prince Maurits of Orange Nassau van Vollenhoven). The Bourbon Parma nieces and nephews's use the last name Bourbon and the children of Christina use the Guilemero last name. The Queen's sister, Irene, is known as Irene Lippe-Biesterfield (the family name of Prince Bernhard). If you look at pictures of the Spanish King and Prince of Asturias in fatigues, you will notice that their name badge reads "Borbon". Similarly, pictures of Carl Philip and Crown Princess Victoria in military fatigues have the name "Bernadotte" across their chests. With respect to Luxembourg, the house name was Orange Nassau, but that changed when Grand Duchess Charlotte married Prince Rene of Bourbon-Parma. However, it reverted back to Orange Nassau in the 1980s.
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#46
11-24-2003, 05:20 AM
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They indeed use the name Sleschwig-Holstein-Glücksburg-Oldenburg as a last name, but the Greek royals also have the title Prince/Princess of Greece and Danmark. The first Greek king of this royal family was George I, a Danish prince, who kept his rights on the Danish throne. The Greek royals are also heirs to the Danish throne. Late Queen Friederike's titles were Princess of Hannover, Duchess of Braunsweich-Lüneburg and Princess of Great-Britain and Northern Ireland. She was a descendant of Queen Victoria, so she was allowed to were the title Princess of Great-Britain and Northern-Ireland.
It's not quite right that the Luxemburg royal house called Orange-Nassau. The reigning house of Luxemburg is actually the House of Nassau-Weilburg, who came in power in 1890, after the dead of King William III of the Netherlands, who has no male heirs. So a nephew of William III, prince Adolphe of Nassau and Weilburg, became Grand Duke of Luxemburg. Well it is related to the House of Orange-Nassau, the Luxemburg royal family is Nassau-Weilburg
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#47
11-24-2003, 05:45 AM
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Actually, the Danish title isn't seperable from the Greek title. They are not princes of Denmark, but Princes/ess of Greece and Denmark. The Danish King allowed the prosterity of the George I to be titled Princes/ss of Greece and Denmark (it was kind of like one title). They are not Princes/ss of Denmark in their own right. There was a recent controversy about this in the Danish parliament (a couple of years ago). And the Greek royals have no claim to the Danish throne. Since the 1950s succession is limited to the legitimate descendants of King Christian X and Queen Alexandrine from approved marriages, thereby excluding the descendants of George I. They also do not have a claim through Anne-Marie becuase she renounced her right in order to marry Constantine. The Succession to the Danish throne is Frederick Joachim Nikolai Felix Benedikte Princess Elisabeth The Children of Princess Benedikte fall into a grey area, although officially they are not in line. Quote:
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The Luxmebourg Grand Ducal House officially uses the name Orange-Nassau. Thus this is their "right" name. Regards, S
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#48
11-24-2003, 03:17 PM
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The Luxemburg Royal Family is the House of Nassau, or Nassau-Weilburg, and NOT Orange-Nassau.
The only heirs of the Orange familyname are the descendants of William of Orange (1533-1584), and that's the Dutch Royal Family. The Luxemburg Royal Family are descendants of the counts of Nassau, thus not of William of Orange (he was also a Nassau, but not the ancestor of the Luxemburg GD's). The only heirs of the title Prince of Orange are the Dutch crownprinces and the crownprince of Prussia (or the House of Hohenzollern). This because the Prussian kings were descendants of the Dutch stadholder Frederick Henry. Greetz, GII.... And Sean, my compliments for your enormous knowledge of Royalty 
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#49
11-24-2003, 03:52 PM
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You are correct, of course. I'm just used to writing Orange-Nassau and for some reason in my mind the two are inseperable (although I know it is incorrect). Of course I realize that the family descents from count Walram. In any event, the family uses Nassau and not Nassau-Weilburg.
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#50
11-24-2003, 09:03 PM
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I wasnt actualy saying that Greece should become a monarchy just so Pavlos can have five minutes to prove him self on the throne. As I said pages ago, it doesnt matter whether Greece is a Republic, Monarchy, Theocracy or anyother form of government, however secure and stable it may be... Constantine will always be the man who was King, and is the man who would be King had the Monarchy not been abolished, just as the Dukes of Bavaria have some complex Jacobian Claim on the British Crown, of which is even more unlikely to ever happen, however if you are so inclined they are the person to whom you turn.
Whether you agree or disagree with monarchys in general or just in Greece, there are those who are either in favour of its return or simply just look upon the Royal Family with respect. In the same way if your Catholic your focal point is the Pope, and just beacuse he pays a state visit to your country does not mean there is going to be a Catholic forced take over. It doesnt matter if Greece is doing well or not, or if you like or hate the former King, there are people who look towards him for what ever small bit of happiness it brings them. As such I personaly dont see a problem with someone calling them selves Glucksberg, De Greece, Oldenberg or Mr Athens, in supporting charities and promting Greek interests, and generaly doing good works as a private citizen. Now if he started causing trouble and inciting his small or large number of followers into storming the Government Offices and Gunning the down the Oposition in the Street in an attempt to win back his throne then I would understand their reluctance to let him in, but I dont really think it is his style. The people will do what they want and will have the Government they want whether it is what anyone here wishes it could be. However one day, Pavlos will inherit the claiment for this non-existant throne and be expected to continue 'the good greek works.' What i was saying is that he deserves a chance to do this and show he does care for Greece like any other Greek Citizen which is very hard for someone to do when they are not aloud in the country and people just pick holes in you. If he turns out to be nothing more than an arrogant royal who wants nothing more than a crown and status we can then all say "he had his chance to be a good man and he blew it and thank goodness they didnt make him King." As for what Constantine or Pavlos call their Family I only have one thought. (please note I am not comparing the two for how much work they did)How many people know Mother Teresa of Calcutters Surname? Did her name have any relevance to the good she tried to do?
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#51
06-04-2007, 02:10 PM
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The Coup
Al Jazeera English did a special on King Constantine, primarily focussing on the coup.
here's the link to the first part here's the second part It must have been tough for them. He was so young when he became king, as well. He says that on the night of the coup, his family was watching a movie. His mother and Princess Irene left early, because they didn't like the movie, and Queen Sofia, who was visiting her brother, wanted to leave but he made her stay since he never got to see her. When the movie was finished I think it was one of his advisors called and let the king hear the bullets coming into his house. I know how the King and his family reacted, but does anyone know about Frederika, Princess Irene, or Queen Sofia, or any other Greek royals affected? Last edited by acdc1; 06-05-2007 at 12:58 PM..
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06-12-2007, 02:18 PM
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A portrait of former Queen of Greece Frederica is seen at a prefabricated storage facility at the former royal estate at Tatoi, on the northewestern outskirts of Athens, Tuesday, June 12, 2007. The Greek government on Tuesday announced plans to turn the sprawilng former royal estate into ecological and historical park. Greece's last monarch, King Constantine II, now 66, was deposed in 1967. In 1991, the Greek government allowed Constantine to remove hundreds of items from Tatoi, which were sold at an auction later that year
At Auction on Yahoo! News Photos
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#53
06-13-2007, 11:16 AM
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I'm sure this question has been addressed already, but I can't seem to find it so I'm bringing it up again: What is the protocol about the GRF and their titles? This seems to be a topic of debate elsewhere. I understand that HM Constantine is continued to be addressed as "King" because that was his title at the time of the coup. However, when he passes away, CP Pavlos will not inherit the title because there is no longer a monarchy. Does this mean he will be referred to a "Crown Prince" for the rest of his life? I know that socially Pavlos' children are sometimes referred to as Prince/Princess, but when Konstantine grows up and has his own family, will his children be titled? What about when Pavlos' brothers marry and have children? Will they be known as Princes/Princesses? How correct is this? This is all under the assumption that the Greek monarchy is not restored.
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#54
06-13-2007, 09:45 PM
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Bella, CP Pavlos will probably be called CP for the rest of his life like CP Alexander of Yugoslavia and his children will be addressed as prince/princess for the rest of their lives. However, Pavlos's eldest son may be referred to as Hereditary prince like CP Alexander's eldest son. Note this isn't fact but I'm just taking my cue from the situation from of the Karadjordjevics'
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#56
06-14-2007, 09:08 AM
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acda1, I don't know what will happen to the titles in the long run it depends on the rules and "letters patent" as laid out by King Constantine or his predecessors but I generally assume the titles may die out so to speak with CP Pavlos's grandchildren.
Anyone with much better knowledge and info please feel free to correct me.
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06-15-2007, 04:12 AM
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link with Greece
Hi Bella,
I think you may find that this Royal Family will have links with Greece for a very Looooong time! :)
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#59
06-16-2007, 12:40 PM
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Hi ilias of john ~ I hope so. I'm not political and admittedly know nothing about the causes of the coup and all that, but I sort of like the idea of a Greek RF. True, I am not a citizen of Greece (so I really shouldn't have an opinion) but I guess I feel sorry for the GRF having been treated the way they were.
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