Prince Nikolaos current events 2: March 2007-August 2010

[BELTRANEJA]

I see two groups in this section of the forum:
The first defenders Tatiana
A second defenders Victoria
I think that to analyze the situation it is necessary to distinguish between two factors:
A: What I would like ...
B: What I see..

"What I would like ..." :
I would like to see Niko as the husband of Princess Victoria.
I think that Prince Niko is the suitable candidate, his education, his elegance, his good behavior in acts of royalty and the public, his studies ..... He is the perfect candidate.

He would be the appropriate complement to Victoria, he could help her in his future mission as Queen.

"What I see"
I see to Niko very committed in the Foundation, Ann Marie, in his work. He is very integrated into English society and now travels regularly to his homeland, Greece ...
I see the pictures of Niko and Tatiana and I see LOVE.Tatiana IS integrated into the family, traveling with them, is in acts of the family, she appears in photographs with family .....
Therefore, I think:
Tatiana is the woman of Niko.

On the other hand, I agree with Tamta:
The Orthodox church has been very united historically to the Greek Monarchy .... When Greece was a monarchy, the state religion was Orthodox, but after, in the republic, the state is a secular state ....
The Orthodox church is very confronted to other Orthodox Patriarchate and with other Christian religions as the Catholic .... but they are also confronted with the religion Jewish ...
If Niko would marry with Tatiana, she should give up their religion and assume the Orthodox church, if that isn´t so, it could be very problematic for the relationship between orthodox church-Monarchy

 

[Odette]

Belt.........98% of the Greek Citizens are Greek Orthodox and the Church has a very powerful presence.
Greeks are devout although may not be the sort who go to Mass every Sunday.
The only difference in recent years was established by the Socialist government when they changed the format of the Greek ID cards. Religion was not mentioned as before. There were a lot of protests and in the end the Government prevailed and the ID cards issued conform to the EU standards. Greeks remain in a great majority members of the Greek Orthodox Church.

 

[BELTRANEJA]

I want to correct an earlier assertions that I made in this forum and it is incorrect.
I said that the Orthodox Church was strongly linked to the monarchy, it is correct, but I told:
In the Republic "Greece is secular state",it is incorrect, I wanted to say that In the Republic, the monarchy and the orthodox church were secularized . This is logical (The Orthodox church is in the Greek Constitution,obviously, the monarchy is not into the Constitution)

 

[Odette]

He's was a Sergeant at Arms (I'm not sure his political affiliation so he may or may not be there after January). Her grandfather is a bit more famous and his info can be found on wikipedia (John Blatnik). He was a U.S. Representative as well. I'm not sure what political level it was but I'm guessing state.

Mr Blatnik is Tatiana's step father not her natural father.
I read some of the posts and you all made me smile. You really believe that if Nikolaos announces his engagement the Queens of Spain and Denmark will clear their calendar to appear at the announcement? It did not even happen when Pavlos got engaged.

 

[BELTRANEJA]

The Spanish magazine "LECTURAS" published this report in December 1998, it was dinner for the commitment of Alexia of Greece in London, at the Hotel Claridge. Queens of Spain and Denmark were in the party, this day was made the official photo but the announcement of the wedding took place a week after that "LECTURAS" published this story.
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/llerana/london.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/llerana/london001.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/llerana/london002.jpg

my prediction could not be true, once again and I could be mistaken in my prediction, but predict is free, the future was the Finally verb in be created

 

[Sg1fan]

Mr Blatnik is Tatiana's stepfather not her natural father.
I read some of the posts and you all made me smile. You really believe that if Nikolaos announces his engagement the Queens of Spain and Denmark will clear their calendar to appear at the announcement? It did not even happen when Pavlos got engaged.

I don't think that he is the stepfather. At the minimum, he is her LEGAL father (she took his name and therefore has another if he's only a stepfather etc). I have never read that her father was anyone else, however and have seen a post on a site from someone who claimed to work for Rep. Blatnik saying that Tatiana WAS his daughter.

As far as the Queen of Spain -- didn't she attend the announcement of the marriage of Alexia or Pavlos? I seem to recall she did and so did Queen Ingrid! I think the Queen of Spain has been quite generous of her time in regards to her birth House and I doubt she would snub her nephew.

 

[Warren]

I've taken out some of the more fanciful posts. Could we please put this unfounded engagement speculation to rest.
If it happens, we will know. Otherwise, until an announcement is made it's more a case of wishful thinking.

thanks,
Warren
GRF moderator

 

[BELTRANEJA]

My Oracle has no answer for the moment ...
I am beginning to have my doubts,but the priestesses of the temples Greeks also were confused.
Analyzing the current situation of Tatiana
I conclude that there are three status:
A: the first Status of "girlfriend"
b: The second, the status "official girlfriend", she can go family celebrations but it is not guarantee of marriage
C:three the status "compromised", it is guarantee of marriage.
d: status of "spouse".
If Niko and Tatiana break their relation, I think that this would be a very ugly because their position would be very similar to a broken marriage.
Tatiana is the official girlfriend if Niko does not marry with her, it will be very frustrating for her, because he has created false expectations about her future

 

[Odette]

Belt. There are couples who live happily ever after without a need to get married. I highly doubt that in their case, as in some other high profile royal couples, they are not BOTH aware of where they are and where they want to go.
They are a lovely couple who obviously are happy together. I do not believe anyone is being compromised.

 

[BELTRANEJA]

Ok... I agree .. but you think about the hypothesis :" If they break their relationship" ..
He has created false expectations about her marriage, they have gone to weddings, christenings, birthdays Royal ...

It would be very frustrating for her.​

 

[iakynthi]

The new Life & Style January issue came out.There was nothing about the GRF,not even a word And of course,no word about engagements (this is for you ,Belt ).I'm starting thinking that the recent protests and riots in Athens are the main reason.After all,all the events that were covered in the issue took place until the 6th of December.The 7th of December was the day that all these started,which means that every important event was cancelled since then
There was only a long article with many photos about Queen Sofia and nothing else

 

[BELTRANEJA]

Ok.
I think that if Prince Nikolaos announce his commitment, it will be through an official communique from the Royal House in London, and IT will be within the Official Website.
Iakanty Do not worry, we will know it through the website.

You say :
"I'm starting thinking that the recent protests and riots in Athens are the main reason". It is possible ..
Yesterday, I read in a danish web,that in December Queen Daisy was shopping in London, I knew it of the Queen Sofia, but I had doubts about the Queen of Denmark

 

[iakynthi]

Welcome back,Beltraneja Ok,so Queen Daisy is Q.Margaret.Because you mentioned her some time ago and I couldn't understand who she was
Yes,I think it was the riots in Athens combined with the crisis in the economy (perhaps they lost some money,especially Pavlos) that kept them away from this kind of celebrations (engagements,Christmas cards,photoshoots in London or Gstaad etc.)

 

[iakynthi]

Today I saw-really quickly,I confess-Nikolaos and Tatiana on the cover of this week's Hello! magazine.I saw it on a TV commercial and although I didn't have the time to see it carefully,I'm sure it was them.I want to make clear that they were not in the center of the cover,but in a small corner,just the two of them posing in front of the camera.I guess I have to buy it tomorrow-it's really late now-and share all the information with you I admit I was very surprised,since I hadn't seen a GRF member on the cover of any magazine for months.It was like they finally disappeared from the face of the Earth

 

[Sg1fan]

It might have been the picture of Marie-Chantal and Pavlos, just a guess, however.

I read in an interview that Queen Anne-Marie said that no one pronounces Nikolaos' name correctly. Can any of our greek friends tell us how it should be pronounced in Greek?

 

[iakynthi]

I was right yesterday.It was Nikolaos and Tatiana in Gstaad during Christmas holidays No other information about the rest of the family,though.
It's pronounced the way you see it:Ni-ko-la(a like arm)-os.The accent is on "ko" (Νικόλαος)

 

[Sg1fan]

Was it one picture, several and was there an article? I would have thought he'd have been with his parents in London for Christmas!

 

[iakynthi]

It was o n l y this picture... I'm as disappointed as you,don't worry...The general "topic" was about Greek celebrities who went to Gstaad during the holidays.No article,not just a line

 

[BELTRANEJA]

I have a story of two photos of the magazine Hello!of Spain in 2007,it said that they could marry this year.
They were walking with two dogs in Gstaad.

This is the same thing year after year. In 2006, they were Gstaad with the Kings of Greece and in the 2005 , the report were the kings of Greece with Paul and Marie Chantal

 

[QUEENECE29]

Prince Nikolaos
Dags att fria nu, Nikolaos! - Svensk Damtidning

 

[iakynthi]

Which is this language?What does it say?Anyone,please?
BTW,Tatiana's highlights are perfect!!

 

[Anna Z.]

It is Swedish. The title can be translated as "It is time to propose, Nikolaos." The article says that even though Nikolaos and Tatiana have been together for six years and they live together in his Chelsea apartment, he is yet to pop the question. Much like Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling. However, unlike Daniel, Tatiana is regularly invited to various royal events, such as the birthday party of her boyfriend's aunt, Queen Sofía of Spain.

 

[iakynthi]

Thank you so much,Anna I knew all this information except for the fact that they live together in Nick's appartment.Can anyone confirm this?And when did Tatiana move in?Thanks in advance!

 

[BELTRANEJA]

I think that nobody can confirm that Niko lives with Tatiana, but it can be deduced:
A: 6 years of relationship
B: He travels with Tatiana to royal celebrations,
C: She is in the celebrations of the Royal family of Greek in Porto Heli in Lanzarote ..
D: She lives in London
I think that all this can be inferred that they live together, and Niko has not changed his address, he lives in Chelsea.

 

[iakynthi]

Of course,I understand that as a couple they want to spend many hours together either at home or on vacation But do they actually LIVE together?You know what I mean:Tatiana doesn't even rent another appartment?She has moved in with Nick permanently?Simple questions,huh?

 

[BELTRANEJA]

Everything is possible, Tatiana could have rented the apartment next door to Niko, she could live in the house opposite.When the royal family is holidays in Porto Heli Tatiana could be camping out in the garden near the pool....

 

[iakynthi]

Ok,now make fun of little Iakynthi
And now a hard question: How can they live together and share whatever every day brings,but don't even think about getting married or,at least,engaged yet?Huh?

 

[sgl]

The article doesn't come out and say that they live together, but it mentions that Tatiana is often seen in his flat in London.

 

[BELTRANEJA]

There are people who think that the marriage is for have children, while they are not planning to have children, they live united but without marriage, and,when they think about have children, they get married. Niko is possible that he isn´t prepared to have children.

Well, my translator is worse than yours, I translated that they were looking for flat to live together​

 

[Anna Z.]

Oops! I am sorry if I have caused confusion. I have been studying Swedish for only two years, but I thought my knowledge of the language was sufficient for reading royalty magazines...

Anyway. Here is the relevant paragraph and my translation:

"Tatiana är än så länge bara 28 år, men självklart måste även hon undra varför hennes prins aldrig friar. Bor ihop gör de hur som helst redan, i Nikolaos våning i Chelsea. Inte precis i enlighet med den kungliga etiketten, men även om samboskapet inte är helt officiellt är det heller ingen hemlighet."

Tatiana is still only 28 years old, but she must surely wonder why her prince has not proposed. They already live more or less together, in Nikolaos' apartment in Chelsea. Not exactly in accordance with royal etiquette, but even if the(ir) cohabitation is not official, it is no secret.

This "hur som helst" is a little tricky. It may have a meaning I am not familiar with and that might change the meaning of the whole sentence. Perhaps a more proficient Swedish speaker could help us.