Greek Royal Palaces and Houses

[Splodger]

Originally Posted by cuervo

Why???They better be honest and give it back to It's Owners!No need for police then,and the whole territory arround TATOI estate will increase it's value,because our Royals will be living there !! :o

I personaly would like to see it given back to the GRF but would settle for second best as a museum of the GRF in meantime... just so long as they stop it falling apart like it is now - so sad

[grecka]

The Oldenburgs shouldn't take back ownership of the palace. It's the property of the Greek government and should be utilized as a museum commemorating and documenting Greece's past.

[laskaris]

Originally Posted by grecka

The Oldenburgs shouldn't take back ownership of the palace. It's the property of the Greek government and should be utilized as a museum commemorating and documenting Greece's past.

How do you like the idea, of turning your house into a museum of local natural history and place yourself onto a chair, under the script writting MAMAL???!! :p

[Jo]

Originally Posted by Splodger

I personaly would like to see it given back to the GRF but would settle for second best as a museum of the GRF in meantime... just so long as they stop it falling apart like it is now - so sad

I agree. It's terrible to let a historic building turn to rubble like that. Do something to keep it around for the next generation.:(

[betina]

Originally Posted by grecka

The Oldenburgs shouldn't take back ownership of the palace. It's the property of the Greek government and should be utilized as a museum commemorating and documenting Greece's past.

They are not Oldenburgs. They come from the family of Glücksborg

Betina

[grecka]

I'm sorry, I forgot the Oldenburgs died out centuries ago. I meant the Danish Royal Family.

[cuervo]

Originally Posted by grecka

I'm sorry, I forgot the Oldenburgs died out centuries ago. I meant the Danish Royal Family.

Are They Glugsborg too???

[grecka]

I think they are the Sonderburg-Glucksburgs

[Warren]

The Greek Royal Family are Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, an offshoot of the Danish Royal House, which is itself an offshoot of the Oldenburg dynasty.

[Jo]

Originally Posted by betina

They are not Oldenburgs. They come from the family of Glücksborg

Betina

According to the almanch de gotha they are oldenburgs.:)

[Splodger]

Oldenburg was the root family from which the Glucksburg's came from. Oldenburg is probably closest to the family name as Glucksburg is a territorial name attached to that branch of the Oldenburg family. It is similar to the Houses of York and Lancaster in English history. They were all Plantagenets (sp) but were known as York and Lancaster to distinguish the two branches of the family.

[Isabel]

Originally Posted by Splodger

I personaly would like to see it given back to the GRF but would settle for second best as a museum of the GRF in meantime... just so long as they stop it falling apart like it is now - so sad

I think that technically the homes and all of the GRF's property in Greece now belong to the government. Since the settlement (albeit small) made by the government to the GRF for the properties, I believe that the properties now belong to the government.

King Constantine wanted for the Greek government to either return the privately owned properties to him and his family or make some sort of financial restitution. I thought that was fair since one of the family's estates had already been turned into a museum and the government was profiting from it. Constantine filed suit in the international courts. The Greek government did pay the family, but nothing near what they asked for or what the properties were actually worth. Therefore, at this point the state can unfortunately do whatever they want with the properties, even nothing if they choose.

Still, it is a pity to have such beautiful historic places simply crumbling away.

[Jo]

Originally Posted by Isabel

I think that technically the homes and all of the GRF's property in Greece now belong to the government. Since the settlement (albeit small) made by the government to the GRF for the properties, I believe that the properties now belong to the government.

King Constantine wanted for the Greek government to either return the privately owned properties to him and his family or make some sort of financial restitution. I thought that was fair since one of the family's estates had already been turned into a museum and the government was profiting from it. Constantine filed suit in the international courts. The Greek government did pay the family, but nothing near what they asked for or what the properties were actually worth. Therefore, at this point the state can unfortunately do whatever they want with the properties, even nothing if they choose.

Still, it is a pity to have such beautiful historic places simply crumbling away.

Even if they do own them. It isn't right to let them go to waste. I don't like how the greek gov't has treated the former royal family. However, now that are ruining the greek peoples history at least in the sence of landmarks. We were too late to all the others so now they are going to just allow these to fall to ruin, and as far as I can see the only reason is out of spite for the present royal family esp the king. good reason.

[Splodger]

I wounder if it is a case of being surrounded by history they become complacent about it.

When you can look up out of your government office window and see the Parthanon which is something like 3000 years old, then perhaps it is easy to dismiss any part of your history in the last two hundred years as insignificant?

They need to employ a heritage minister to look after all these things better... ohh I wounder who could do that for them

[ellinotati]

The ministry of Culture is responsible for the maintenance of historic buildings.The whole of Greece is full of monuments,temples,museums etc. It's not a easy task to try to preserve all of them.The Parthenon has been undergoing maintenance work for years and still hasn't finished.We have to save our ancient heritage first ,which is very important to us, before we move on to the most recent heritage.You can understand the importance of ancient greek culture by the fact that the British museum has been denying the return of the Parthenon sculptures for years.Sculptures and marbles that are propably the most valuable in the entire museum.The oldest the item,the higher the value,you see....

[Splodger]

Originally Posted by ellinotati

The ministry of Culture is responsible for the maintenance of historic buildings.The whole of Greece is full of monuments,temples,museums etc. It's not a easy task to try to preserve all of them.The Parthenon has been undergoing maintenance work for years and still hasn't finished.We have to save our ancient heritage first ,which is very important to us, before we move on to the most recent heritage.You can understand the importance of ancient greek culture by the fact that the British museum has been denying the return of the Parthenon sculptures for years.Sculptures and marbles that are propably the most valuable in the entire museum.The oldest the item,the higher the value,you see....

I have to agree with Ellinotati here. Although Tatoi is an important modern royal palace and i hate to see any old building fall in to ruin, in the grand scheem of things the ancient temples etc are more important to preserve for both Greece and the world at large.

However i guess that just brings us back to the age old question of why the Government were so adamant in keeping Tatoi to the point of spending tax payers money set aside for those in need and adding to their list of overheads for the sole purpose of humiliating and depriving one man of his personal heritage :( .

[cuervo]

Originally Posted by Splodger

I wounder if it is a case of being surrounded by history they become complacent about it.

When you can look up out of your government office window and see the Parthanon which is something like 3000 years old, then perhaps it is easy to dismiss any part of your history in the last two hundred years as insignificant?

They need to employ a heritage minister to look after all these things better... ohh I wounder who could do that for them

Mainly,the Ministry of Culture! I would purpose to be a Cultoural Center of Royal Heritage{Constant exibition} with places where people walk,children play and learn .Special care about Royal Graves {I mean,everybody to see but nobody to go close}The stables or other buildings can be transformed into classical music theaters or Houses of Opera(There is not One 1 Opera House in whole over Greece!)Art exibitions,Video art ,Technology aspect excibition-everything of high level.The buildings are made of the best material ever!!!

[Jo]

Originally Posted by cuervo

Mainly,the Ministry of Culture! I would purpose to be a Cultoural Center of Royal Heritage{Constant exibition} with places where people walk,children play and learn .Special care about Royal Graves {I mean,everybody to see but nobody to go close}The stables or other buildings can be transformed into classical music theaters or Houses of Opera(There is not One 1 Opera House in whole over Greece!)Art exibitions,Video art ,Technology aspect excibition-everything of high level.The buildings are made of the best material ever!!!

I agree, do some thing with them. and instead of one group of people fixing all. break them up into groups so they can just fix some. Letting modern or present history go saying that there is just too much isn't a good excuse. History is history. the other building are in thier present condition because of thinking like that. imo I don't want to wait for 3000 years for people to realize this. hae someone keep them up at the very least or here's a thought give them back to the royal family so they can take care of them. man i'm brilliant!! :p

[cuervo]

Originally Posted by Jo

I agree, do some thing with them. and instead of one group of people fixing all. break them up into groups so they can just fix some. Letting modern or present history go saying that there is just too much isn't a good excuse. History is history. the other building are in thier present condition because of thinking like that. imo I don't want to wait for 3000 years for people to realize this. hae someone keep them up at the very least or here's a thought give them back to the royal family so they can take care of them. man i'm brilliant!! :p

Or to give them back to The GRF,because the Greek state cannot afford such projects!!

Tatoi is not a Palace,is an Estate

[Isabel]

Originally Posted by Splodger

I wounder if it is a case of being surrounded by history they become complacent about it.

When you can look up out of your government office window and see the Parthanon which is something like 3000 years old, then perhaps it is easy to dismiss any part of your history in the last two hundred years as insignificant?

They need to employ a heritage minister to look after all these things better... ohh I wounder who could do that for them

I don't know what the problem is, but something really needs to be done with these places. The historical importance of the Parthanon is indeed significant, but when considering the history of Greece's former monarchy and the its yo-yo existence from time and the exile of the current royal family, I think that these historical homes are certainly of interest. The stories that could be told are really interesting. I personally think that the changes and ups and downs and even the stories of the interesting members of the GRF are very interesting. Very well known members of the Family were born in some of these homes and I believe that Tatoi or one of the summer homes is a private resting place for several members of the GRF who have passed away. That is indeed significant, IMO and worth preserving.