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Old 01-27-2005, 10:56 PM
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I personaly would like to see it given back to the GRF but would settle for second best as a museum of the GRF in meantime... just so long as they stop it falling apart like it is now - so sad
I agree. It's terrible to let a historic building turn to rubble like that. Do something to keep it around for the next generation.:(
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Old 01-28-2005, 10:16 AM
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The Oldenburgs shouldn't take back ownership of the palace. It's the property of the Greek government and should be utilized as a museum commemorating and documenting Greece's past.


They are not Oldenburgs. They come from the family of Glücksborg

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I'm sorry, I forgot the Oldenburgs died out centuries ago. I meant the Danish Royal Family.
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I'm sorry, I forgot the Oldenburgs died out centuries ago. I meant the Danish Royal Family.
Are They Glugsborg too???
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I think they are the Sonderburg-Glucksburgs
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The Greek Royal Family are Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, an offshoot of the Danish Royal House, which is itself an offshoot of the Oldenburg dynasty.
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Old 01-30-2005, 12:33 AM
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They are not Oldenburgs. They come from the family of Glücksborg

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According to the almanch de gotha they are oldenburgs.:)
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Old 01-31-2005, 08:20 AM
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Oldenburg was the root family from which the Glucksburg's came from. Oldenburg is probably closest to the family name as Glucksburg is a territorial name attached to that branch of the Oldenburg family. It is similar to the Houses of York and Lancaster in English history. They were all Plantagenets (sp) but were known as York and Lancaster to distinguish the two branches of the family.
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I personaly would like to see it given back to the GRF but would settle for second best as a museum of the GRF in meantime... just so long as they stop it falling apart like it is now - so sad
I think that technically the homes and all of the GRF's property in Greece now belong to the government. Since the settlement (albeit small) made by the government to the GRF for the properties, I believe that the properties now belong to the government.

King Constantine wanted for the Greek government to either return the privately owned properties to him and his family or make some sort of financial restitution. I thought that was fair since one of the family's estates had already been turned into a museum and the government was profiting from it. Constantine filed suit in the international courts. The Greek government did pay the family, but nothing near what they asked for or what the properties were actually worth. Therefore, at this point the state can unfortunately do whatever they want with the properties, even nothing if they choose.

Still, it is a pity to have such beautiful historic places simply crumbling away.
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I think that technically the homes and all of the GRF's property in Greece now belong to the government. Since the settlement (albeit small) made by the government to the GRF for the properties, I believe that the properties now belong to the government.

King Constantine wanted for the Greek government to either return the privately owned properties to him and his family or make some sort of financial restitution. I thought that was fair since one of the family's estates had already been turned into a museum and the government was profiting from it. Constantine filed suit in the international courts. The Greek government did pay the family, but nothing near what they asked for or what the properties were actually worth. Therefore, at this point the state can unfortunately do whatever they want with the properties, even nothing if they choose.

Still, it is a pity to have such beautiful historic places simply crumbling away.

Even if they do own them. It isn't right to let them go to waste. I don't like how the greek gov't has treated the former royal family. However, now that are ruining the greek peoples history at least in the sence of landmarks. We were too late to all the others so now they are going to just allow these to fall to ruin, and as far as I can see the only reason is out of spite for the present royal family esp the king. good reason.
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I wounder if it is a case of being surrounded by history they become complacent about it.

When you can look up out of your government office window and see the Parthanon which is something like 3000 years old, then perhaps it is easy to dismiss any part of your history in the last two hundred years as insignificant?

They need to employ a heritage minister to look after all these things better... ohh I wounder who could do that for them
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The ministry of Culture is responsible for the maintenance of historic buildings.The whole of Greece is full of monuments,temples,museums etc. It's not a easy task to try to preserve all of them.The Parthenon has been undergoing maintenance work for years and still hasn't finished.We have to save our ancient heritage first ,which is very important to us, before we move on to the most recent heritage.You can understand the importance of ancient greek culture by the fact that the British museum has been denying the return of the Parthenon sculptures for years.Sculptures and marbles that are propably the most valuable in the entire museum.The oldest the item,the higher the value,you see....
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The ministry of Culture is responsible for the maintenance of historic buildings.The whole of Greece is full of monuments,temples,museums etc. It's not a easy task to try to preserve all of them.The Parthenon has been undergoing maintenance work for years and still hasn't finished.We have to save our ancient heritage first ,which is very important to us, before we move on to the most recent heritage.You can understand the importance of ancient greek culture by the fact that the British museum has been denying the return of the Parthenon sculptures for years.Sculptures and marbles that are propably the most valuable in the entire museum.The oldest the item,the higher the value,you see....
I have to agree with Ellinotati here. Although Tatoi is an important modern royal palace and i hate to see any old building fall in to ruin, in the grand scheem of things the ancient temples etc are more important to preserve for both Greece and the world at large.

However i guess that just brings us back to the age old question of why the Government were so adamant in keeping Tatoi to the point of spending tax payers money set aside for those in need and adding to their list of overheads for the sole purpose of humiliating and depriving one man of his personal heritage :( .
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I wounder if it is a case of being surrounded by history they become complacent about it.

When you can look up out of your government office window and see the Parthanon which is something like 3000 years old, then perhaps it is easy to dismiss any part of your history in the last two hundred years as insignificant?

They need to employ a heritage minister to look after all these things better... ohh I wounder who could do that for them

Mainly,the Ministry of Culture! I would purpose to be a Cultoural Center of Royal Heritage{Constant exibition} with places where people walk,children play and learn .Special care about Royal Graves {I mean,everybody to see but nobody to go close}The stables or other buildings can be transformed into classical music theaters or Houses of Opera(There is not One 1 Opera House in whole over Greece!)Art exibitions,Video art ,Technology aspect excibition-everything of high level.The buildings are made of the best material ever!!!
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Mainly,the Ministry of Culture! I would purpose to be a Cultoural Center of Royal Heritage{Constant exibition} with places where people walk,children play and learn .Special care about Royal Graves {I mean,everybody to see but nobody to go close}The stables or other buildings can be transformed into classical music theaters or Houses of Opera(There is not One 1 Opera House in whole over Greece!)Art exibitions,Video art ,Technology aspect excibition-everything of high level.The buildings are made of the best material ever!!!
I agree, do some thing with them. and instead of one group of people fixing all. break them up into groups so they can just fix some. Letting modern or present history go saying that there is just too much isn't a good excuse. History is history. the other building are in thier present condition because of thinking like that. imo I don't want to wait for 3000 years for people to realize this. hae someone keep them up at the very least or here's a thought give them back to the royal family so they can take care of them. man i'm brilliant!! :p
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I agree, do some thing with them. and instead of one group of people fixing all. break them up into groups so they can just fix some. Letting modern or present history go saying that there is just too much isn't a good excuse. History is history. the other building are in thier present condition because of thinking like that. imo I don't want to wait for 3000 years for people to realize this. hae someone keep them up at the very least or here's a thought give them back to the royal family so they can take care of them. man i'm brilliant!! :p

Or to give them back to The GRF,because the Greek state cannot afford such projects!!

Tatoi is not a Palace,is an Estate
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I wounder if it is a case of being surrounded by history they become complacent about it.

When you can look up out of your government office window and see the Parthanon which is something like 3000 years old, then perhaps it is easy to dismiss any part of your history in the last two hundred years as insignificant?

They need to employ a heritage minister to look after all these things better... ohh I wounder who could do that for them
I don't know what the problem is, but something really needs to be done with these places. The historical importance of the Parthanon is indeed significant, but when considering the history of Greece's former monarchy and the its yo-yo existence from time and the exile of the current royal family, I think that these historical homes are certainly of interest. The stories that could be told are really interesting. I personally think that the changes and ups and downs and even the stories of the interesting members of the GRF are very interesting. Very well known members of the Family were born in some of these homes and I believe that Tatoi or one of the summer homes is a private resting place for several members of the GRF who have passed away. That is indeed significant, IMO and worth preserving.
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OK Gang... here is the plan! We shall right a letter to the new President when he is elected and tell him to give it back to the GRF as the seems the common concensus here or else we will get very very upset with him . I know they have already paid him the money but as he is using that for the good of Greece which is what they were supposed to use it for anyway they can call it quits! :)
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I have come across some information regarding the Palace of Tatoi and wounderd if anyone out there new if this was correct or had changed since the following webpage was published in 2001.

http://www.fbarnard.org.uk/greek01/greece01.htm

According to the above webpage, Tatoi is not only closed to the public, but hard to find, railed off and guarded by police and a gaurd dog. I was woundering if this is still the case as I was under the impression from the recent Court Case over it between Constantine and the Greek Government, that Tatoi was being held for the benefit of the Greek people and was therefore open to the public. It seems rather bizzar that the Government paid Constantine all that money as oposed to giving it back to him, only to let it rot.
this building is really very uninteresting, it mainly has sentimental value to the former greek royals and should be sold to them.
On the island of Syros alone I know of many more crumbling 19th century villa's which are from an art historical point of view much more worth saving.
And re the crumbling, it is very often better to crumble than to be wrongly restored.

As for the parthenon, it has suffered more in the past 50 years due to the pollution in athens than in the past 1000 years, everything is melting away.
If they would just take care of that ........
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Not only the Ministry of ....

culture is involved..Ministries of Public Constructions,Agriculture,of Defence,and of National Economy.Let's not forget that there is a forrest in Tatoi,an airport near by.there will be circulation of money arround the Place..!So, there must be a special organisation to be created who take over the maintenance and exploitation,maybe not only for tatoi,also for all Royal estates....

Why Tatoi must be priveledged??Because for over 150 years everything New concerning Politics, Agriculture,Civilization,Art, was first shown there,and then was passing to the Hellenic State...It was the main "Think Tank"of state of greece for the biggest part of It's History!!!:)
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