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They have been quick, last week the scaffolding was not in this place, . In 2007 also the minister of culture, also on the right ideology, put up a scaffold, and called the international press, to say that in 2008 it would be restored, it was placed for 3 years in the palace, and then They took it. I imagine that the current Minister will also visit the scaffolding with a photographer.
When are they going to repair the cross on King Pavlo's tomb (that curiously appeared broken the same day that the Royal House announced an official commitment, a few hours later) ? This is simple, and you don't need a scaffold.

Now that the Greek Minister of Culture, and her followers, has become a great defender of the history of Greece, she could ask that King Constantine and his family be restored in their passport, which was withdrawn by a law 1994, of dubious constitutionality, because our constitution clearly says that the passport of a person born on Greek soil cannot be taken away (And this is not an affirmation of mine, I remember that New Democracy said it in 1994, that it was not constitutional, when they refused to vote in favor of that law...)

This would be a good time, now that the government is giving away passports to famous foreigners...
 
 
From an architectural point of view Mon Repos would be my favourite former residence and I much preferred it to that of the Tatoi Palace.
 
Let's see today an another one Royal Residence , Petit Palais -or otherwise- of the Megaron Psycha located on V. Sofias Avenue.
Prince Nikolaos , the third-born son of King George I, lived there in 1902, after his marriage to the Grand Duchess of Russia Eleni Vladimirovna.
After the resignation of King Constantinos I (1922) and the deportation of Prince Nikolaos to Europe, operated under the same name, "Petit Palais", as a branch of the Hotel Great Britain. In the early 1930s it housed for a short time the Embassy of Norway and from the middle of the same year it houses to this day the Embassy of Italy.


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Any news from the new discoveries at Tatoï, including the 70 suitcases reportedly belonging to Queen Frederika ?
 
:previous: Nothing official yet from the Ministry of Culture but according some informations the first two suitcases have been opened and brand new wonderful evening gowns have been found in them. Then two more suitcases and a trunk were opened and unused traditional costumes were discovered from all over Greece of the two Princesses, Sofia and Eirini. Ethnic costumes were also found for the two princesses from neighboring Balkan countries.
 
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:previous: Nothing official yet from the Ministry of Culture but according some informations the first two suitcases have been opened and brand new wonderful evening gowns have been found in them. Then two more suitcases and a trunk were opened and unused traditional costumes were discovered from all over Greece of the two Princesses, Sofia and Eirini. Ethnic costumes were also found for the two princesses from neighboring Balkan countries.
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Sounds promising ...
 
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Any news from the new discoveries at Tatoï, including the 70 suitcases reportedly belonging to Queen Frederika ?
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Interesting I hadn't heard that,what a discovery!
 
It is a fake news. The newspaper that released this information is, curiously, next golden dawn medium, and part of some suitcases that appear in some photos, one of it with the name "Crown Prince Constantine", the newspaper with bad intentions, affirms that it are the 70 suitcases and trunks of the Queen FrederiKa,it is not true, as if there were treasures inside.... It is not true. ..and it is not true that it would be 70 of Queen Frederika.
Everything is looking ridiculous and outrageous to me.
In the palace of Tatoi in 2007 it was dismantled, the furniture was stored, and the valuables were taken to warehouses athens.
The goods they are taking out of the palace have no value, they are private items, such as toys, old tables ... I think these media are releasing information of this type to ridicule all the expectations that some media, forums, and Facebook groups have raised on this issue.In the palace of Tatoi they are not discovering anything , except if you consider that the king's shorts and the queen's panties are a treasure ... In Tatoi there are only private belongings of King Constantine and Queen Anna Maria, and there could also be Queen Frederica or King Paul but we are talking about personal objects such as Alexia's toys, in all sincerity underwear, shoes, and what may be In those wardrobes of clothes, which has no value, what had value, like the yellow dress of Queen Anne Maria is stored since 2007 in Athens. They are not discovering anything because that furniture has already been checked and stored in rooms of the palace itself in 2007.
This information is published by this medium, and not exactly by telling the truth, but by inventing a story that in my opinion seeks to ridicule the expectation that some people are creating about the palace.
 
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The evacuation of the Stable and the transfer of the carriages to Tatoi was completed
The carriages transported from Stable, which were placed in a new storage space next to the space where the cars of the royal family are kept.
These are 12 carriages, with two of the most important of them: The closed carriage used at the wedding of Queen Sofia of Spain, coach type - purchased by King George I in 1871 - and the specially modified, open carriage, landau type, which was used in the weddings of the King Konstantinos and Queen Anna Maria. Also included are a gold Coupe, 3 Berlin, 2 Phaethon open, one hunting and 3 chaise longue

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The evacuation of the Stable and the transfer of the carriages to Tatoi was completed
The carriages transported from Stable, which were placed in a new storage space next to the space where the cars of the royal family are kept.
These are 12 carriages, with two of the most important of them: The closed carriage used at the wedding of Queen Sofia of Spain, coach type - purchased by King George I in 1871 - and the specially modified, open carriage, landau type, which was used in the weddings of the King Konstantinos and Queen Anna Maria. Also included are a gold Coupe, 3 Berlin, 2 Phaethon open, one hunting and 3 chaise longue

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Amazing ! What a tresaure !
 
Who owns the carriages the Greek State or the king?
 
I am sorry to say this. This blog about royalty, always has a derogatory treatment towards the Greek royal family, the article of the blog doesn´t true, I think that if you don't like a royal family, don't write about them.
I have read the judgment of the Strasbourg court of human rights, and the judgment establishes clearly and very precisely that the property of Tatoi and his interior movable property, are the private property of the king, they belonged to his family since 1872. The confiscation of the colonels was illegal, they did not compensate, and they did not follow the expropriation law process. In 1978-79, the Greek government recognized that the King was the rightful owner. Later, with Andreas Papandreou, an agreement is reached on a tax that is the patrimonial, and this agreement is the one that was approved in 1992, this is an agreement on tax.
The Sentence of 2000 itself says that the king was owner since 1964, his father left it to him in inheritance in a will written by King Paul in 1959.
And then comes that confiscation of 1994 that will be declared illegal by the Strasbourg Human Rights Court in 2000.

A summary of this topic is on the family website. https://www.greekroyalfamily.gr/en/faq.html
I do not understand why the content of the Strasbourg sentence is being constantly violated, the sentence must be respected.
In fact, I think I recall that in 2002, there is an amount established for the violation of the King's honor for denying the content of the resolution of the Strasbourg court.
Regarding the farm of tatoi, I do not understand that the Greek government that still does not return the passport to King Constantine, is unfairly using his image to attract attention to its particular projects.

This is very sad, that the current Greek government has not returned the passport to King Constantine, who was born in Greece , it was retired in 1994,this law responded exclusively to political criteria, and it is also very sad to read the Minister says that the royal theme is very important to attract tourists, and publicize it, when in Greece the treatment given to the King and his family is despicable. They live in Greece as foreigners, their son Prince Nikolaos and Tatiana are foreigners, and Princess Irene, had to ask the Spanish state, in 2018, for Spanish nationality, Greece took it away in 1994.

If they want to use the kings as a tourist claim, they should repeal that law.
 
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I'd have preferred seeing the king buying back Tatoi than seeing it turned into a hotel.
 
An Ard Ri said:
I'd have preferred seeing the king buying back Tatoi than seeing it turned into a hotel.
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Yes I would also very much like the Greek Royal Family's return to the palace of Tatoi.
 
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It is very sad, the tombs of the kings of Greece inside a hotel complex. This is horrible. Family members will have to go to a hotel to remember their ancestors. I agree Lipe and An AR Ri It would be preferable to have returned it to the family or to have reached agreements with them to make a museum dedicated to the family that would report many benefits , like other countries have done.:sad:?
 
I wonder what will happen to the Royal Burial site and chapel with lots of tourists walking around .
 
I also wonder what will happen to the royal cemetery.
The palace was to be returned to the Greek Royal Family.
 
Indeed, in 2000 the Court of Strasbourg said that the State should return it to his owner who was the King, but like our former Prime Minister, Simitis (PASOK) said that we, the greeks, were of left-wing ideology by birth, he does not returned it.

And now this, a hotel.

To believe that the Palace of Tatoi was going to be a museum, was and is a utopia of those who have defended it. With our politicians that is not possible, ND ,New Democracy (political party ) is not different from PASOK, they are the same political party with a different colour of jacket.

This will be a Hotel of luxury says:

First , to make a hotel, the internal and external structure of the palace has to be modified, because with its current structure it cannot do.

On the first floor, I have seen it from the inside, all the walls must be demolished to leave it open as required in all hotels, the reception, retaurant, living room....It , today, is not possible, it with its structure, this means that all the walls have to be demolished, and make a new structure, a large living room, the restaurant, the bar, the reception. We speak of a NEW AND DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

The stairs to the second floor , this has to be demolished, the main staircase of the palace of Tatoi to access the second floor, it is obvious that it must be modified, and changed its position, and made a new one, and another problem with the structure of the elevator or elevators ..... The kitchens and everything else, obviously has to be a new structure and located in a new internal configuration of the building.

Second floor, the current structure, it is impossible that as it is structured now it in future would be a hotel, impossible rooms division, the bathrooms, no. It is obvious that it must be completely demolished and structured again inside, and the third floor ,the same, it is impossible that it would be a hotel.
-Change the facade, it is obvious.
The Palace windows , in the new structure, it have to be changed because the windows are accommodated to the rooms, if you must re-structure it and make a new room, you must change the windows, because there will be rooms that will be left without a window and others will have many windows, you must change the external facade to make the windows accommodated to the new structure. The windows of the palace of tatoi, are like finished in a point, typical of a church an old palace, currently in a hotel the light is sought, these windows do not allow that brightness, It will have to remove it, this is synonymous of changing the facade external of the palace.

The main entrance to the palace, from the outside, if you think about it is not correct for a hotel, the main entrance would be better on the other side.the gardens will be new and different from the original, even the trees.
Conclusion, the structure of the original Palace has to be modified, so we will talk about a new structure, we will not be talking about the old palace of Tatoi, but about a new different structure.
History?Is it history this?

Who is going to pay for the hotel renovation? With what money?
I am Greek, my country is pure political corruption, this we have already experience with this ... The Papandreu are a large luxury hotel company in Greece , they who promote socialism, but control luxury ...And Karamnlis family????and others...

A hotel paid for with our money, or European funds(it is our money), managed by the State, is synonymous with whether the hotel needs 40 workers, it will have 5000 workers on its payroll, each politician will contract to his friends as always (the friends don't work but they charge the month) , it will have an impressive debt.

Second, if they decide that the management is private, then, it will be a hotel made with money from the European Union, and given to a friend, who will be the one who takes everyone's subsidy, and abandoned again.

the tourists come to Greece, to see the acropolis, the statues and ancient theaters, and of course the sun and the beach, and THE PARTY.
What will Tatoi be, the new Mykonos?,24-hour party at the hotel, as the Arabs do in Corfu, not in their country, but here they do.

And cementery, it is very sad.
 
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This is in total contradition with the current and official position of the Greek Ministry of Culture & Sports (aka retoration + museum).

Just wait and see i suppose ...
 
This news must be very sad for the King, queen and his two sisters.
 
:previous:Lina Mendoni, the Minister of Culture, is the one who has announced that it will be a luxury hotel.
Regarding the internal structure, Nikolopoulus does not lie, this is obvious, the internal structure, of the Palace today, cannot be maintained like a hotel, even the regulations of Hotels require, elevators, wide corridors. The Tatoi Palace was very simple inside.

"... my country is pure political corruption, this we have already experience with this ..." YESSSSS !!!

"... the hotel needs 40 workers, it will have 5000 workers on its payroll, each politician will contract to his friends as always ..." It is a theory of nikolopoulus, but this is very credible, because one of the reasons why Greece is in an economic crisis, is the poor management of public companies, which have a higher cost than private ones.

I would have liked agreements, with the royal family ......the weddings of Princess Theodora and Prince Philippos in Tatoi, it would have been spectacular. :wub:
 
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stef said:
:previous:Lina Mendoni, the Minister of Culture, is the one who has announced that it will be a luxury hotel.
Regarding the internal structure, Nikolopoulus does not lie, this is obvious, the internal structure, of the Palace today, cannot be maintained like a hotel, even the regulations of Hotels require, elevators, wide corridors. The Tatoi Palace was very simple inside.

"... my country is pure political corruption, this we have already experience with this ..." YESSSSS !!!

"... the hotel needs 40 workers, it will have 5000 workers on its payroll, each politician will contract to his friends as always ..." It is a theory of nikolopoulus, but this is very credible, because one of the reasons why Greece is in an economic crisis, is the poor management of public companies, which have a higher cost than private ones.

I would have liked agreements, with the royal family, the weddings of Princess Theodora and Prince Philippos in Tatoi, it would have been spectacular.
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My understanding is that one of the 55 buildings on the Tatoï estate will be converted into a luxury Hotel, the main palace being restored in its George I state and open as a museum :

https://www.protothema.gr/greece/ar...e-diethni-proorismo-politismou-kai-anapsuhis/

https://www.ethnos.gr/politismos/14...heia-kai-horoi-athlisis-sta-basilika-anaktora

https://eleftherostypos.gr/politism...na-mendoni-parousiazei-ston-et-olo-to-sxedio/
 
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According to the articles press, we have enough money, we are richs. And I ask, why are we asking for help from the European Union if we are rich?Now, what are the Dutch going to think, now, that we ask Europe for money to spend on leisure?:lol:

Everything that the press tells is very nice, but you know why are the Greeks convinced that the palace will be the hotel. The only building that can be used as a luxury hotel is the Palace, the rest of the buildings are not big enough. And that idea of making it a luxury hotel, was already present in 2011-2012-2013...., for this reason dear friend, as you will see in Facebook groups, no one believes something government.

I personally do not think it will function as a Hotel or as a museum. Because I think that it is very far from Athens, and that tourists do not visit Greece to see an ancient Palace. In order to create an attraction to the palace, you would need the royal family...

But I also think that they are talking about a lot of money, Greece is not rich at the moment to take risks in those projects, I see that small works are being done, the cars have not been mechanically repaired, they have been cleaned by the body, they have been polished . This is a low cost restoration, yet the press calls it a colossal restoration. It is not the same to repair the mechanics of the car than the cleaning the body.

I believe that in Greece there are very serious problems in the economy, and I cannot believe that the Greek state is going to make such an investment, I do not believe it. We are not a rich country . Our goverment is trying to sell abroad the image of a colossal palace restoration, when the reality is that the buildings that are being restored are looking for the cheapest way to do it.
And it's funny that the time chosen for this information is when Kyriakos Mitsotakis is under low popularity, too, and by the money of Europe.
 
I found this very interesting video from 1962. In this video we can see what the Tatoi Palace was like in 1962. At the end of the video appears the Royal Greek Family and Juan Carlos and Sofia from Spain.

 
Another rare, special, treasure is revealed as the work of highlighting the former royal estate of Tatoiou progresses. Among the thousands of objects, preserved by the Directorate for the Preservation of Ancient and Modern Monuments of the Ministry of Culture, is a large number of rare wines and spirits, in bottles that are now considered historical items and with collectible labels.

Rare wines found in the collection include bottles of Château Margaux, Château de Vincennes and Château Rothschild, as well as collectible beverage bottles, such as the special bottle of Chivas whiskey in a ceramic bottle to celebrate the enthronement of of Queen Elizabeth .

At the same time, there is a rich collection of bottles, with labels from the production of the estate itself.


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I'm sorry but all this seems ridiculous expectation from the Minister of Culture, even I think that it has a lot of theater.
I explain it.

You see some people dressed in white with all the precautions taking the bottles as if it were a unique treasure ...It is not a unique treasure.
The Tatoi has been open to the public for years, abandoned by the authorities a long time, the people accessed the facilities and carried objects. The wineries of the estate have been the most looted and proof of what I say is that, until recently, even today, you find on the online sales website, same bottles of Tatoi wine, with the same label, the same whisky bottles, even beer souvenirs ...sold by people.
When you ask those people about the origin of the bottle, they tell you that the bottles are authentics, taken from the cellars of Tatoi,they do not recognize the illegality of having taken the bottle from the Palace's cellar.
In 2009, these looting were denounced, but the authorities remained passive, now it is ridiculous that the same bottles that have been sold on online pages by private persons, are presented by the minister with a delicacy and as if it were a treasure, even I would dare to say that those that have been sold online were cleaner and better preserved and presented .
 
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Years ago, I bought from a greek friend, an ancient magazine that had the biography of King Paul. This friend kept many magazines, books and objects related to the Greek Royal family. He showed me some bottles of wine, originating from the Palace (it are the same wine as the second photo published, those same bottles had my friend, red wine, and rosé wine) clean, new, well closed ... the bottles very well preserved, without dust, with the seal on the cork very well... The wine inside, seemed in good condition.
Indeed, my friend told me that he had bought it for little price on the internet from a person (it were authentic from the cellars of the palace, the Palace was abandoned). My friend had it for sale, about 10,000euros, this seemed to me an exaggeration, but he justified it saying that the bottles were from the Palace. I remember arguing with him, because in my opinion, a wine cost that price, if the wine is in good condition, it can be expired or in poor condition, because the wine depends on the temperature of preservation, he nevertheless justified the high price, basing on the bottle and the label that showed that it was from the Royal Family and that it was of tatoi palace.

Looking more bottles of Tatoi Palace in internet, I found very bottles of wine, whyski, bottles very old of Tatoi palace with price very high. and some of those bottles were legal, gifts that King Paul, King George or the family made every year to the workers, with its box, its seal, even the gift letter, very well preserved, and much better than that seen in the photo, which seems that even the wine is lost.


This shows that in private hands things are better preserved, than hands of politicians,;););)

This photo is a bottle of wine from 1948 to the sale by a private individual, the bottle is new and very well preserved, now you look the photo of the Minister, I would not drink from that.:lol::lol::lol:
Second photo published by eya:previous:: https://i1.prth.gr/images/w880/_webp/files/2021-07-11/24433192.jpg
and this photo is of a person who sells his authentic bottle of Tatoi on an internet website. 1948, The conservation is magnificent. http://www.exlibris-oldbooks.gr/ima...416750583d7374e97e1bf4a4e97078eb99c0ddc-V.jpg
 
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