Greek Royal Orders

[Fie]

Can anybody tell me which orders were given out during the rign of both Constantine and his father Pavlos I and to whom?

Is there any order Constantine can give out to his family members or relations? Or is the Greek president the only one who can hand out orders?

[sgl]

I would be surprised if Constantine can still give out orders. It seems like the Greeks stripped him nearly everything when they abolished the monarchy.

[Philippe Egalite']

Originally Posted by Fie

Can anybody tell me which orders were given out during the rign of both Constantine and his father Pavlos I and to whom?

Is there any order Constantine can give out to his family members or relations? Or is the Greek president the only one who can hand out orders?

Greece has four orders
Order of the Redeemer (Grand Cross, Grand Commander, Commander, Gold Cross and Silver Cross)
Order of Honour (also 5 classes)
Order of the Phoenix (5 classes)
Order of Beneficence (5 classes)

The Order of Honour was introduced in 1975 to replace the Order of George I, which is now defunct. The Order of George I, originally created in 1915 by King Constantine I, was first abolished in the 1920s, during the First Hellenic Republic, at which point the Order of the Phoenix was created. Upon the restoration of the Monarchy, in 1935, the Order of George I was re-instated.

Theoretically, kings who were deposed but did not abdicate, could continue granting family orders.

[vasilofron]

King Constantine could only give out the Royal Order of St. George & St. Constantine, that is the Greek Royal Family Order. He has given it to Mr. Carlos Morales and also has given the Greek Royal Family Order of St. Olga & St. Sofia to Princess Marie Chantal.

The King could grant to anyone he wants the Greek Royal Family Order of St. George & St. Constanrine to men and the Royal Order of St. Olga & St. Sofia to women.

During the reign of King Paul I and King Constantine II, all the Orders of the Greek Kingdom were granted to Military and Civils.

See this PDF with the Greek Orders:

http://www.greekroyalfamily.gr/asset...RS%20(ENG).pdf

[Fie]

Thanks a lot. So Constantine can still give out the family orders, but not the other ones. I haven't had a chance to look at the link posted yet but did Constantine ever confer an order to another head of state?

[Philippe Egalite']

Originally Posted by Fie

Thanks a lot. So Constantine can still give out the family orders, but not the other ones. I haven't had a chance to look at the link posted yet but did Constantine ever confer an order to another head of state?

In the three years and nine months that he stayed on the throne before he fled to Rome and to the best of my recollection, King Constantine neither received visits from, nor paid visits to, foreign heads of state - the usual occasion of exchanging orders. Nonetheless, he may have done so privately.

[Mr. Peter]

Originally Posted by Philippe Egalite'

In the three years and nine months that he stayed on the throne before he fled to Rome and to the best of my recollection, King Constantine neither received visits from, nor paid visits to, foreign heads of state - the usual occasion of exchanging orders. Nonetheless, he may have done so privately.

The King received President Habib Bourguiba of Tunisia, in 1965 (and received a Tunisian Order - The Queen didn't) and King Baudouin I of the Belgians.

Originally Posted by vasilofron

King Constantine could only give out the Royal Order of St. George & St. Constantine, that is the Greek Royal Family Order. He has given it to Mr. Carlos Morales and also has given the Greek Royal Family Order of St. Olga & St. Sofia to Princess Marie Chantal.

The King could grant to anyone he wants the Greek Royal Family Order of St. George & St. Constanrine to men and the Royal Order of St. Olga & St. Sofia to women.

During the reign of King Paul I and King Constantine II, all the Orders of the Greek Kingdom were granted to Military and Civils.

See this PDF with the Greek Orders:

http://www.greekroyalfamily.gr/asset...RS%20(ENG).pdf

Prince Philippos wore the ribband of the Order of George I in the wedding of his cousin Prince Joachim of Denmark with Marie Cavallier, so this Order can also be awarded by The King (probably being a dynastic one).

What about Prince Nikolaos? He wears the Redeemer - did he received it when he was born, in 1969 (although in exile, but The King being the de facto and de jure Head of State) or when he turned 18? If so, The King can also award the "royal version" of this Order.

[kastorianroyalist.]

physical and may order, is still king, and it is no secret,he can rull from far away the situation.

[roimat]

Royal Orders are a family matter in most royal famillies. Indeed, only the President of The Hellenic Republic can now give orders, and King Constantine can give the family orders.
King Constantine also visited the USA in the summer of 1968 and met with President Johnson, there for isn't true that he did't make visits to foreign Head of states.

[Vlaha Karatsokaros]

Originally Posted by roimat

King Constantine also visited the USA in the summer of 1968 and met with President Johnson, there for isn't true that he did't make visits to foreign Head of states.

You are correct. However, Greece was under the Junta at the time, so a good guess is that it was not a State Visit during which time orders/medals are normally exchanged.

[roimat]

Originally Posted by Vlaha Karatsokaros

You are correct. However, Greece was under the Junta at the time, so a good guess is that it was not a State Visit during which time orders/medals are normally exchanged.

the visit was a State visit, and was the last Constantine paid as an acting King. It was in 1967, a few months before he acts against the Junta.

[Vlaha Karatsokaros]

Originally Posted by roimat

the visit was a State visit, and was the last Constantine paid as an acting King. It was in 1967, a few months before he acts against the Junta.

I visited the LBJ Library's Section regarding the Gifts received from Foreign Heads of State during the LBJ Administration. Exchanging of Gifts in the Oval office between Heads of State and the members the sitting President's family is part of the Protocol and takes place immediately before the (usually) white-tie State dinner. The President and his family accept these presents strictly in behalf of the People of the United States - which means that they become public property and usually are displayed in the Libraries to honor former presidents.
The list of State visits to the USA between 1966 - 1968 does not mention one by the Head of the State of Greece.


But King Constantine did visit the USA in 1967.

[BELTRANEJA]

Constantine can give the Orders that historically had haven relation with the Greek monarchy, but it has not same value that the Orders granted by President of Republic, this have value political, are granted by the Greek State, represented by the President.
The orders granted by Former King has not same political value, it can have value for the monarchies

[roimat]

In addition to what BELTRANEJA said, i must say that some orders of the Greek Monarchy, are still given from the President, such as are the Order of the Redeemer (Grand Cross, Grand Commander, Commander, Gold Cross and Silver Cross), Order of the Phoenix (5 classes) and Order of Beneficence (5 classes).
Those are all the same as in the Monarchy, but have no Crown on the medal.