Do Members Of The Grf Have Middle Names?

[yvr girl]

I know that the Queen's full name is: Anne-Marie Dagmar Ingrid. I have never been able to find out if the rest of the family have middle names. It's hard to believe that they wouldn't - royalty always seems to have several middle names. Does anyone have any information?

[Roos]

They don't have any middle names because they are orthodox.That's why Prince Philip of England only has one name, which is Philip.(obviously )

[cuervo]

Our King has only one name:Konstantine

according to the greek tradition as rightly said before we name babiew only with one name usually of their Grand Father or grand Mother's if its a girl.In case we love our ancestors and they are many,we may name babies with two names just to honor them all!!The late fashion in Greece is that we give one name from the bible and one from our Ancient Greek Tradition!


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[helleniki]

Princess SOFIA
King KONSTANTINOS
Princess IRENE

Princess ALEXIA
Crown Prince PAVLOS
Prince NIKOLAOS
Princess THEODORA
Prince PHILIPPOS

But...
Princess MARIA OLIMPIA
Prince KONSTANTINOS ALEXIOS
Prince ACHILEAS-ANDREAS

[kelly9480]

Originally posted by helleniki@Jun 4th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
But...
Princess MARIA OLIMPIA
Prince KONSTANTINOS ALEXIOS
Prince ACHILEAS-ANDREAS

Not true.

Pavlos' children have one name, but it is hyphenated.

Maria-Olympia
Constantine-Alexios
Achilleas-Andreas

Those are each one name because of the hyphen.

[yvr girl]

Thank you for your answers. It seemed strange to me, because royalty always seems to have multiple names. But now I understand, that it is tradition.

[kelly9480]

I think it has more to do with the Orthodox faith, rather than any family tradition. I don't think any of the Orthodox royals (Bulgaria, Russia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Greece, Montenegro, there may be some I've missed) have more than one name, thought Russians have patronymics.

[moody]

Originally posted by kelly9480@Jun 5th, 2004 - 10:58 am
I think it has more to do with the Orthodox faith, rather than any family tradition. I don't think any of the Orthodox royals (Bulgaria, Russia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Greece, Montenegro, there may be some I've missed) have more than one name, thought Russians have patronymics.

I think that Russians,Bulgarians,Serbians and Montenegrin have patronyms because it is their tradition!But when they call their King they call it by His name and not Patronym!Ex:King Alexandar and not King Karageorgevich...The same with Czar It was Czar Nikolay Ftaroy(second)never Romanov.They call the dynasty the greater Family Romanov....Today,in Bulgaria oposition calls King Symeon with his Patronym(Saxkoburg)but he is involved in Politics as Premier.....

[cuervo]

Originally posted by kelly9480+Jun 4th, 2004 - 9:30 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kelly9480 @ Jun 4th, 2004 - 9:30 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-helleniki@Jun 4th, 2004 - 7:28 pm
But...
Princess MARIA OLIMPIA
Prince KONSTANTINOS ALEXIOS
Prince ACHILEAS-ANDREAS

Not true.

Pavlos' children have one name, but it is hyphenated.

Maria-Olympia
Constantine-Alexios
Achilleas-Andreas

Those are each one name because of the hyphen. [/b][/quote]
I think it is as I said before!Konstantinos - Alexios is to Honor my King and Princes Alexia,who Prince Pavlos over-loves.The other two is one from the The Holly Bible and one from the Ancient Greek Tradition...Wrong??

[kelly9480]

Originally posted by moody+Jun 5th, 2004 - 11:06 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moody @ Jun 5th, 2004 - 11:06 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-kelly9480@Jun 5th, 2004 - 10:58 am
I think it has more to do with the Orthodox faith, rather than any family tradition. I don't think any of the Orthodox royals (Bulgaria, Russia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Greece, Montenegro, there may be some I've missed) have more than one name, thought Russians have patronymics.

I think that Russians,Bulgarians,Serbians and Montenegrin have patronyms because it is their tradition!But when they call their King they call it by His name and not Patronym!Ex:King Alexandar and not King Karageorgevich...The same with Czar It was Czar Nikolay Ftaroy(second)never Romanov.They call the dynasty the greater Family Romanov....Today,in Bulgaria oposition calls King Symeon with his Patronym(Saxkoburg)but he is involved in Politics as Premier..... [/b][/quote]
Saxecoburggotski is Simeon's dynasty or family name. His patronymic would involve his father's given name. It would be something like Simeon Borisovich (the Russian version of "son of Boris").

Nikolai II's name and patronymic was Nikolai Alexandrovich. His regnal name may have been Nikolai Ftoray, but Ftoray did not become his patronymic.

[kelly9480]

Originally posted by cuervo@Jun 6th, 2004 - 6:36 am
I think it is as I said before!Konstantinos - Alexios is to Honor my King and Princes Alexia,who Prince Pavlos over-loves.The other two is one from the The Holly Bible and one from the Ancient Greek Tradition...Wrong??

He has never been known officially as Konstantinos-Alexios. Only as Constantine-Alexios. If they named him K-A, surely they would call him that.

I don't know where they got M-O, and A-A's names from. If they gave an interview explaining it, I never saw it.

[Blueice]

Originally posted by kelly9480+Jun 6th, 2004 - 12:46 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kelly9480 @ Jun 6th, 2004 - 12:46 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I think that Russians,Bulgarians,Serbians and Montenegrin have patronyms because it is their tradition!But when they call their King they call it by His name and not Patronym!Ex:King Alexandar and not King Karageorgevich...The same with Czar It was Czar Nikolay Ftaroy(second)never Romanov.They call the dynasty the greater Family Romanov....Today,in Bulgaria oposition calls King Symeon with his Patronym(Saxkoburg)but he is involved in Politics as Premier.....

Saxecoburggotski is Simeon's dynasty or family name. His patronymic would involve his father's given name. It would be something like Simeon Borisovich (the Russian version of "son of Boris").

Nikolai II's name and patronymic was Nikolai Alexandrovich. His regnal name may have been Nikolai Ftoray, but Ftoray did not become his patronymic. [/b][/quote]

Well pointed out - patronymic is not accustomed among Slavs apart from Russia and a few former Soviet republics/states. Monarchs in Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria...etc. are referred to by title and first name, or full name - i.e. HRH King Alexandar Karadjordjevic ... In which case Karadjordjevic would be a family name/ last name/ surname - not a patronymic.

[Chanel]

When Konstantinos-Alexios was born, that is how his name was announced when he was shown to the public and baptised. Am I the only one who remembers this? Why would they name him Constantine-Alexios, when his grandfathers name is really spelled the greek way: KONSTANTINOS?? His name is spelled Konstantinos (grandfather Konstantinos) - ALEXIOS (aunt Alexia?)......

[cuervo]

I think it goes like that: KONSTANTINE means constant-stable

ALEXIOS means easy to move -flexible

They are both of byzantine origin!It is to honor Princes Alexia(aunt)...


MARIA - the name comes from Bible is the Mother of Jesus
OLYMPIA - is the place where ancient greece cosetrated in Peace for Olympic
Games or means the girl who lives in Olympos,so... Devine ???...


ACHILLEAS - was the Ancient king of Pylos - (Troy : )
ANDREAS - was son of King George-Prince Andreas of Greece..I hope Iam right! If Iam wrong please corect me!!

Officially, in Greece there are Patronyms.E.g:We say Sakis Pouvas touGianni,but for our Royals No because they all are recognisable by name!

[cuervo]

Originally posted by Blueice+Jun 6th, 2004 - 7:02 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blueice @ Jun 6th, 2004 - 7:02 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Saxecoburggotski is Simeon's dynasty or family name. His patronymic would involve his father's given name. It would be something like Simeon Borisovich (the Russian version of "son of Boris").

Nikolai II's name and patronymic was Nikolai Alexandrovich. His regnal name may have been Nikolai Ftoray, but Ftoray did not become his patronymic.

Well pointed out - patronymic is not accustomed among Slavs apart from Russia and a few former Soviet republics/states. Monarchs in Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria...etc. are referred to by title and first name, or full name - i.e. HRH King Alexandar Karadjordjevic ... In which case Karadjordjevic would be a family name/ last name/ surname - not a patronymic. [/b][/quote]
Bulgarian opposition calls Symeon .Saxkomburga.Opponents also.Fans call him Symeon -at least in Sadanski(town I was last weekend)

The patronyms are used by the most of slavian nations instead of use of the family name when they decided that the word Gospodin(sir) was too Borzoi and replace it with the word "Tavarish".So, family names was not even mentioned!That is to vanish all the old Russian family names from everyday's life!!

[kelly9480]

Originally posted by chanel@Jun 6th, 2004 - 7:23 pm
When Konstantinos-Alexios was born, that is how his name was announced when he was shown to the public and baptised. Am I the only one who remembers this? Why would they name him Constantine-Alexios, when his grandfathers name is really spelled the greek way: KONSTANTINOS?? His name is spelled Konstantinos (grandfather Konstantinos) - ALEXIOS (aunt Alexia?)......

They list him as Constantine-Alexios with their official announcements. If they actually named him Konstantinos-Alexios (on his birth certificate) they should call him that. They may translate his name whenever the mood strikes them, (they certainly change Achilleas -- MC calls him Achille (the French way)), but that would only be something MC and Pavlos do, because KIIR's kids are known by their Greek names rather than the English equivalent.

[cuervo]

Originally posted by kelly9480+Jun 7th, 2004 - 11:21 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kelly9480 @ Jun 7th, 2004 - 11:21 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chanel@Jun 6th, 2004 - 7:23 pm
When Konstantinos-Alexios was born, that is how his name was announced when he was shown to the public and baptised. Am I the only one who remembers this? Why would they name him Constantine-Alexios, when his grandfathers name is really spelled the greek way: KONSTANTINOS?? His name is spelled Konstantinos (grandfather Konstantinos) - ALEXIOS (aunt Alexia?)......

They list him as Constantine-Alexios with their official announcements. If they actually named him Konstantinos-Alexios (on his birth certificate) they should call him that. They may translate his name whenever the mood strikes them, (they certainly change Achilleas -- MC calls him Achille (the French way)), but that would only be something MC and Pavlos do, because KIIR's kids are known by their Greek names rather than the English equivalent. [/b][/quote]
You can call either by two names or the one you like best!

[helleniki]

The English say:

King Juan Carlos I of Spain, not King John Charles I;
Queen Beatrix I of the Netherlands, not Queen Beatrice I;
Queen Paola of the Belgians (she is Italian), no Queen Paula;
Crown Prince Felipe of Spain, not Crown Prince Philipp;
Crown Prince Philippe of Belgium, not Crown Prince Philipp;

So, we must say
King Konstantinos II of the Hellenes, not Constantine;
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece, not Crown Prince Paul (I heard in an interview Queen Anna-Maria saying 'Pavlos' and not 'Paul');
etc.

[kelly9480]

Originally posted by helleniki@Jun 12th, 2004 - 9:47 pm
The English say:

King Juan Carlos I of Spain, not King John Charles I;
Queen Beatrix I of the Netherlands, not Queen Beatrice I;
Queen Paola of the Belgians (she is Italian), no Queen Paula;
Crown Prince Felipe of Spain, not Crown Prince Philipp;
Crown Prince Philippe of Belgium, not Crown Prince Philipp;

So, we must say
King Konstantinos II of the Hellenes, not Constantine;
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece, not Crown Prince Paul (I heard in an interview Queen Anna-Maria saying 'Pavlos' and not 'Paul');
etc.

Constantine calls himself Constantine in the English language media, so that's what the media refers to him as. If he never switched from using the Greek version, the media wouldn't have, either.

Out of respect, the media refers to a person the way they refer to themselves. Juan Carlos calls himself Juan Carlos in the English press, so the press calls him that. The same thing with all the other royals you listed. Ironically, the Spanish press translates everyone's names into Spanish, regardless of the royal's personal preference.

Pavlos is rarely referred to as Paul in the English media. But the French press translates his whole family's names into the French versions.

[laskaris]

Originally posted by helleniki@Jun 12th, 2004 - 10:47 pm
The English say:

King Juan Carlos I of Spain, not King John Charles I;
Queen Beatrix I of the Netherlands, not Queen Beatrice I;
Queen Paola of the Belgians (she is Italian), no Queen Paula;
Crown Prince Felipe of Spain, not Crown Prince Philipp;
Crown Prince Philippe of Belgium, not Crown Prince Philipp;

So, we must say
King Konstantinos II of the Hellenes, not Constantine;
Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece, not Crown Prince Paul (I heard in an interview Queen Anna-Maria saying 'Pavlos' and not 'Paul');
etc.

Also:Prince NICKOLAOS OF GREECE ,THEODORA OF GREECE,PHILIPPOS OF GREECE complete names no shortcuts.....