Who is the Rightful Heir to the French Throne?

[jonnydep]

hello,
another interesting point concerning as to wether the renunciation of king philip V of spain was valid or not, may concern the family pact of 1761.

can we assume that by the rununciation, he and his descendants ceased to be members of the french royal house or was it due to the fact they was royals of a another country ie spain ?.

on the 15 august 1761 kings louis XV of france and charles III of spain signed a family pact, whereby the kings of spain and naples were recognised members of "the august house of france".

surely as members of the french royal house, they (and descendants) had the full rights of succession to that throne ?.

ok, there was still the treaty of utrecht to consider barring the union of the two crowns........... but whats not stopping a monarch of spain ceding the kingdom of france to a male sibling or a younger son in the event that this may occur.
for lets face it, did not the adove king (charles III), cede the throne of naples to a younger son when he succeeded to the spanish throne.......

[Baseline Arcadia]

Louis, called Louis XX, Duke of Anjou, Chief of the House of Bourbon and Prince of his Line is a claimant to the Bourbon succession to the throne of France. He is married and lives in Latin America in Venezuela. He is relatively organized and has a pretty good sensibily as to the Estates.
www.royaute.org is his website. He has the public allegiance of several thousands at least and the somewhat conditional support of a number of other people like myself. His claims are serious.

[Brian Dechaux]

There is another side of this charles v of france had another son from Biette Cassinel whos decedents have never been mentioned -they are alive and well

[semisquare]

if there was such a thing as a french king & queen who would have the title? duke and duchess of vendome or the one young spanish couple( i dont remember their names....sorry)

[Marsel]

The question of who's the rightful heir to the French Throne is a rather complicated one and has been discussed at lengths in this thread - Who is the Rightful Heir to the French Throne?

Here is a summary in a nutshell:

1) The Orléanist pretender to the French Throne is Henri, Comte de Paris, Duc de France. His claims will be succeeded by his eldest son, François, Comte de Clermont (who is disabled and is expected to be succeeded by his younger brother, Duc de Vendôme).

2) The Legitimist pretender to the French Throne is Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou. The Legitimists are those, who regard Philip V of Spain's renunciation of his rights to the French Throne as void and illegal. Louis Alphonse and his wife, Maria Margarita Vargas Santaella have only one daughter (as of now), Eugenia, born in 2007. If they don't have male Heirs, then the Legitimist pretender to the Throne will be King Juan Carlos of Spain.

3) The Napoleonic pretender to the French Throne is either Prince Charles Napoléon (Napoléon VII) or Prince Jean-Christophe Napoléon (Napoléon VIII). They are father and son. This division aroused because of Prince Louis Napoléon's will (the father of Prince Charles Napoléon), which stipulated that Prince Charles should be bypassed in the line of the succession by his only son, Prince Jean-Christophe (who is only 22 now).
The Napoleonic line is descended from Napoléon Bonaparte's younger brother Jerome Bonaparte.

[Domhangairt]

It rather amuses me that supporters of Louis-Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, call themselves "legimitimists".

No one on this forum has cared to mention that there are several reasons why his claim is disputed by the Comte de Paris:

1. The Treaty of Utrecht was an international Treaty signed by both the King of France & Navarre, Louis XIV, and his grandson, Felipe V, King of Spain, renouncing any claims Felipe's descendants might have to the French Throne- this would include Carlists and the Dukes of Parma. This Treaty ended a 12 year war which claimed the lives of many men. It cannot be ignored or set asside, except by a referendum in France following a majority vote in the National Assembly, regardless of what some people may say about the Law of Succession to the French Throne.

2. There remain serious doubts about the legimitimacy of Louis-Alphonse's family, the descendants of King Alfonso XII of Spain. This is because Alfonso's mother, Queen Isabel II was unhappily married to her Borbon cousin, Francisco de Assis de Borbon, who was widely believed by contemporaries to be homosexual. Even today, many people believe that at least some, if not all of her children maynot have been fathered by Francisco de Assis, expecially since the hot blooded Queen was known to have enjoyed the favours of several men.

Until this controversy can be finally resolved by DNA tests, no member of this Spanish line should be allowed to claim the French Throne, since France's Salic Law makes it clear that only Males born in the legitimate male line can claim the French Throne- If Francisco was not the father of Alfonso XII, none of his descendants, including the Spanish king Juan Carlos, and the duke of Anjou can even think about claiming the French Throne. And what of the chances of Juan Carlos agreeing to DNA tests, and exhumation of royal tombs- slim chance if he wants to retain his own Throne!

The Comte de Paris remains the safest and most legal claimant- recent DNA tests linked his family to the dead king Louis XVII who died imprisoned during the French Revolution. Enough said.

Originally Posted by Warren

If you support the Orléanists, then it's HRH Henri VII, Comte de Paris, formerly Comte de Clermont, Duke of France, Head of the Royal House of France;

If you think the Orléans are a usurping and regicidal branch of the Bourbon dynasty, loyalty would lie with Louis Alfonso, Duke of Touraine, Duke of Bourbon, Duke of Anjou, "Primogeniture Representative of the House of France."

If you are a Bonapartist you would support HIH Charles, Prince Napoleon, Head of the Imperial House of France;

BUT if you accept the intention to bypass Charles as stated in the will of his father, the late HIH Louis, Prince Napoleon, Head of the Imperial House, then the rightful Head of the Bonapartes is Charles's son, HIH Prince Jean-Chrisophe.

Plenty to choose from here! Most accept the Comte de Paris as the rightful heir to the Throne of France because he is the direct descendant of the last reigning King, Louis Philippe I.

Prince Charles Bonaparte is a descendant of Jerome Bonaparte, Napoleon's youngest brother, who reigned as King of Westphalia 1807-1813. Napoleon I's only son died in 1832 unmarried, and Napoleon III's only son was the Prince Imperial who died tragically in Zululand in 1879.
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[Warren]

Originally Posted by Domhangairt

No one on this forum has cared to mention that there are several reasons why his claim is disputed by the Comte de Paris:

Both reasons 1 and 2 have been discussed extensively in this thread and others.

[GusPortelance]

Of course, the rightful heir to France, would be - although heavily handicapped - Prince Francois d'Orleans.

[larlincol7]

I would seriously disagree with you about your comments re. republics. The constitutional monarchies of Western Europe have some of the highest standard of livings in the world! Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, etc. Yes, the majority of the French like their republic as most of the British like constitutional monarchy. You do not have to denigrate one to raise up another.