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Old 08-13-2014, 09:34 AM
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Is Charles-Philippe the Duke of Cadaval?
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Old 08-13-2014, 09:55 PM
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Is Charles-Philippe the Duke of Cadaval?
On June 21st, 2008, Charles-Philippe wed Diana, the 11th Duchess of Cadaval.
Charles-Philippe became the Duke of Cadaval jure uxoris.
Jure uxoris is Latin for "by right of his wife".
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Old 10-13-2014, 05:46 PM
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Diana and Charles Philippe attended some fashion shows at Moda Lisboa
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:39 PM
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Hmm a very handsome couple but let's hope they got some sartorial inspiration from the fashion shows they attended.

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Old 10-28-2014, 11:41 AM
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Prince Charles-Philippe d'Orléans and the Duchess of Cadaval attended the opening of the exhibition "The Givenchy" at the Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum in Madrid, Spain. Princess Miriam of Bulgaria was also present. The exhibition displays several Givenchy dresses, including those worn by the Duchess of Windsor, Audrey Hepburn and Jackie Kennedy:

Prince Charles-Philippe and the Duchess of Cadaval ~ One of the dresses at the exhibition

Source: Le duc et la duchesse d’Anjou à l’exposition Givenchy

I have a question - as Prince Charles-Philippe is the Duke of Anjou like Prince Louis Alphonse, I was wondering who has the stronger claim to the title, and if (and that's a very big if) France were to become a monarchy again, who is more likely to be granted it?
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Old 10-28-2014, 05:26 PM
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I suppose that that depends on the person you are speaking with. The Orleanists will say it is CP, the legitimistes will say it is Don Luis Alfonso de Borbon.

More info in this thread:Rival Claimants to the French Throne
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Old 10-29-2014, 01:29 PM
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Thanks for the link, Marengo. I will read more of the thread later so I can get some idea, but what I asking was that who technically has the stronger claim in general, and not in the eyes of an Orléanist or Legitimist (because I understand that their opinion will be biased given on who they support)? Or is it too much of a complex situation to answer in an overall term, if that makes sense?
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Old 12-23-2014, 03:17 PM
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Thanks for the link, Marengo. I will read more of the thread later so I can get some idea, but what I asking was that who technically has the stronger claim in general, and not in the eyes of an Orléanist or Legitimist (because I understand that their opinion will be biased given on who they support)? Or is it too much of a complex situation to answer in an overall term, if that makes sense?
It is in fact not so difficult. The most senior male Bourbon is Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez Bordíu. In that sense he is the rightful pretender on the throne of France.

Problem is that when the thrones of France and Spain became both in Bourbon hands, all major European powers including France and Spain agreed in a groundbreaking international treaty: the Treaty of Utrecht (1713). Not only the recognition of Gibraltar as British territory, the ceding of French claims in Canada to the UK or the ceding of the Spanish Netherlands to the Habsburgs were part of this Treaty. Also the separation of the thrones of France and Spain was part of it. Philippe de Bourbon, Duc d'Anjou, who became King Felipe V of Spain ceded all rights and claims on the throne of France for himself and all his descedants. Only with this strict condiction, all major powers agreed with these two mighty kingdoms in the hands of one royal dynasty.

Since then we speak about the Spanish Borbóns and the French Bourbons. Don Luis Alfonso is a Spanish Borbón and his claim on the throne of France is only acceptable when the Treaty of Utrecht is considered null and void.

When the Treaty of Utrecht is respected, Henri d'Orléans, the most senior "French Bourbon" is the rightful claimant to the throne of France.
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On his facebook page the duke says he does not agree with the #jesuischarlie tags as he never liked the magazine Charlie Hebdo & found it vulgar. He does condamn the acts of the Islamic terrorists. Still he does not see what needs to be defended...

Charles-Philippe d’Orléans : «Â*Non, je ne suis pas CharlieÂ*

-> I suppose he misses the idea behind je suis charlie, which is freedom of speech, not the content of the magazine itself.
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Old 01-11-2015, 05:48 PM
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I can follow Prince Charles-Philippe. The right on free expression ends there where continuous and intended insults start. Like the Prince I do categorically condemn these barbaric acts committed in Paris. However I understand the resentment and the anger which can be provoked by a continuous stream of insults, again and again, towards something which is seen as something most august for millions of fellow citizens in France and Europe.

I feel the Prince does not deserve it to be condemned because he does not immediately stick a badge Je Suis Charlie to his lapels. Au contraire: the Prince has my admiration for forming an own opinion on the matter, even when this does not fit in the mass-hysteria of "Thou Shalt Be A Friend Of Charlie". At least the Prince is honest: he always saw Charlie Hebdo as a vulgar magazine and is not suddenly changing his opinion on that.
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Old 01-11-2015, 06:00 PM
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Well, there is a more appropriate time and place for such remarks, in a way he is saying that the people of the magazine had it coming to them. His words are tasteles and insensitive at this point, but he is free to say them.
His words may be considered as as hurtful to some, as he finds himself hurt when the magazine makes a cartoon about the catholic church btw. Religious people do not own a monopoly on feeling offended.

He misses the point of je suis charlie, which is not to defend the editorial line of the magazine but to defend free speech. But well... it is not the first time he makes a misjudgement as he was imprisoned in the past. As a former contestant of a reality tv show I do not think he has much authority to speak about vulgarity btw. It seems that thus far only Jean Marie Le Pen has said something simular.

IMHO HH pope Francis showed much more wisdom in this matter, despite him most likely disapproving the content of the magazine.
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Old 01-11-2015, 06:05 PM
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What about the rights of the citizen Charles-Philippe d'Orléans? Or that of the citizen Marine le Pen?

The first one is criticized for his opinion. The second one was banned to join the demonstration which had to show "a France united" (sic!) and she subsequently held her own rally in Beaucaire (in the Provence)... For so far the "absolute rights" of these two citizens which are claimed to be "holy" by the masses on the streets today...

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Old 01-11-2015, 06:18 PM
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Well, nobody is forbidding them to say what they did so I do not see a problem. People in France are free to critisize, CP is free to critisize the free press, and others are free to critisize him for such remarks.

Marine Le Pen is another issue all together, but she was allowed to express her vernom and hatred, albeit she was not invited to the rally in Paris. She could have joined the normal protesters but preferred to hold her own rally elsewhere in France.
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Old 01-11-2015, 06:23 PM
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Then we agree. Prince Charles-Philippe can be criticized. Why not. I only wanted to express that I understand where Prince Charles-Philippe comes from and the point he wanted to make. He gave valid arguments. In my opinion that is. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 01-12-2015, 02:02 AM
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In English:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3245820/posts

Curiously enough, the prince made the Dutch press:
Franse prins spreekt zich uit tegen Charlie | Buitenland | Telegraaf.nl

Prins van Orléans valt uit tegen Charlie Hebdo | metronieuws.nl

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Glad to read that there are others that think as I do about this. And I admire the fact that he doesn't let himself be influenced by the popular sentiment and keeps to his own sense.
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Old 01-12-2015, 03:23 AM
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I think the Prince made a valid point. There are probably many people who agree with him, but prefer not to rock the boat by going public with their views. I'm not charlie as I know nothing about the publication, and the defence of freedom of speech is not something that stirs me to action. I also find it somewhat disappointing that a terrorist attack in Paris can rouse millions of people to stand up to terrorism (or stand up for free speech), while the massacre of over 2,000 people in Nigeria barely got a mention on the evening news. The terror being inflicted on the people of Nigeria by Boko Haram looks set to continue unabated. Over 10,000 deaths since the beginning 2014. In the last few days 10 year-old girls have been used as suicide bombers. Who is marching for them?
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I don't understand why people proud to be Charlie would deny someone to give his opinion, as long as it is not an invitation to commit a crime. Je suis Charlie and walked yesterday, and God knows I didn't like much Charlie and often felt offended by them or angry with their pictures, but they had as much right to express their point of view as I am. If they had this right, prince Charles-Philippe is right to express himself without being vilified or threatened. If people we disagree with are not anymore free to express themselves, Je suis Charlie willmean nothing.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:53 AM
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This Duke of Carnaval is only making himself interesting everywhere.

He was the only one who attend the Count of Paris religiouis wedding in his Unform of Grand Maître de l' Ordre de Saint Lazare, he is not more nowadays.
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