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02-26-2006, 11:20 AM
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Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Family 2: February 2006 -
 Arms of Alfonso, Duke of Anjou and Cadiz (1936-1989) Welcome to the Luis Alfonso News and Pictures thread Part 2. I have moved some more recent posts over from part 1 so we have continuity. Part 1 can be found here. Warren, Non-Reigning Houses moderator ° - ° - ° Posted by Aubisse Does anyone here know something about Maria's family ? Press wrote that her mother (Santaella) was from an old venezuelian family. Thanks Aubisse "afficher de bons sentiments ne signifie pas qu'on les eprouve"
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02-27-2006, 08:18 AM
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To add a piece of information, Maria Margarita's mother (Carmen Leonor Santaella) has studied the law but quitted her carreer in order to bring up her three children. She comes from an aristocratic family indeed! They claim that they come from the conquistadores of Spain! Who knows...
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02-27-2006, 02:30 PM
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Wow if he were now the Crown Prince of Spain, he would have been a better catch than Crown Prince Felipe.
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02-27-2006, 10:06 PM
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#5
03-14-2006, 02:15 PM
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it was revealed in the spanish press that louis alfons and margarita will attend the fallas in valencia this year!
it says that margarita will wear a dress from the xvii century that costs about 20000 euros. you can read the whole article here: http://www.larazon.es/noticias/noti_gen17152.htm
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#6
03-19-2006, 05:24 PM
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Images of Louis Alfons and Margarita in Las Fallas of Valencia
from terra
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#7
03-20-2006, 10:31 PM
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 . What he does not have these days is the title because of the controversy between him and the Orleans' branch that refuses to aknowledge him as the senior member of all Bourbons branches, thus, giving him a dynastic edge over the Bourbon-Orleans family. In some way I do see their point of view, he is not French, he is distantly related and belongs to an off shot of the House of Bourbon that branched out to Spain 300 years ago. And to add insult to injury, he married without approval of the ones who support his claim nor he bothered to invite them to his wedding. Quite ungrateful for all those legitimist invitations to get lost in the mail. And this marriage without consulting with his supporters was what I read that moved the Orleans to reclaim the title Duke of Anjou back to the core of the French Bourbon branch. The 'kid' might be well intentioned, but in public relations he has made all the wrong moves. Last edited by Toledo; 03-20-2006 at 10:44 PM.
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03-20-2006, 11:14 PM
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just a couple of things:
-how has this given him an advantage over the Orleans, Bourbons, or the Orleans-Bourbon line? which line has the bigger "advantage" to the throne? i hope someone from France can give us their view too. - i do agree with you, that he does not seem French to me at all...he may have the bloodlines, but well, so far, he doesn't seem to personify the French royalty... peace out! 
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Last edited by Warren; 07-16-2008 at 01:45 AM. Reason: repeat of preceding post
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#9
03-20-2006, 11:38 PM
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Here is the story of the House of Bourbon
I read in Guy de Sainty's site some years ago about the legal case in France concerning that title between the Orleans and Luis Alfonso. Quite a nasty family feud. among other things the Orleans claimant wanted his name to be legally changed to Bourbon, something that would have gone against tradition. I believe only the royal branch can carry that name, the others carry their location as an identifying part of their name. Maybe someone can elaborate more on this? Luis Alfonso is more Spanish than French. His claims are like if Caroline's husband, Prince Ernst of Hannover, decided to trouble his cousin the Queen with his own claims to the British throne. But that seems all Luis Alfonso has these days since his cousin King Juan Carlos took back to the crown the title Duke of Cadiz and prevented it to pass to Luis Alfonso. And if he wanted to get some more support for the Duc de Anjou title he should have done something more that photo ops for Hola magazine and the press. Not inviting his supporters to his wedding was quite a slap on the face. That's when I saw the point of view of the actual French Bourbons against Luis Alfonso and his mother. The big irony in all this is that there is no such thing as a French throne, and to top it off the current Napoleonic claimant has a son that is both Bonaparte and Bourbon no less. Plus he is running for a political office in 2007 (shades of Napoleon III?) while the Bourbons are just fighting amongst themselves. Last edited by Toledo; 03-20-2006 at 11:46 PM.
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03-21-2006, 12:41 AM
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from what i've read, Luis Alfonso is indeed more Spanish than French. his parentage screams that, for one. and like what Toledo has said, he hasn't done much to solidify his claims as legal heir to the [extinct] French throne. maybe it's about time the Bourbons cleaned up their act. and maybe, he should act more like a Frenchman.
peace out.
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03-21-2006, 06:01 AM
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I should point out here that Luis Alfonso has made no claims to either the Spanish or French Crowns; in fact he has been very careful not to do so. Which may be why he didn't invite his "supporters" to his wedding.
Whatever the French Bourbons (especially the Comte de Paris) may argue, Luis Alfonso is the primogeniture senior Bourbon representative. What others choose to make of this dynastic fact, if anything, is up to them.
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#12
03-21-2006, 07:29 AM
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Maybe is his mother and grandmother the one pushing the issue more than him? The grandmother has never forgiven Juan Carlos for their family quarrels and his mother, had her husband been proclaimed King of Spain, would be today a dowager Queen. But Queen in exile, with that band the monarchy in Spain would not have lasted long as it does with Juan Carlos and Sofia.
Well, time to get to work, bye....
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#13
03-21-2006, 08:01 AM
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Three things.
1. All the french monarchists (and I'm not one of them) are aware that Don Luis Alfonso de Borbon y Martinez-Bordiu is the primogeniture senior Bourbon/Borbon representative. Whether it means he's the Head of the House of Bourbon (which would suppose the House of Bourbon/Maison de Bourbon exists) and the rightful heir to the french throne is another question. 2. The current comte de Paris made a claim before a court years ago to add to his legal name (Orléans) the name Bourbon, and then being called de Bourbon-Orléans. This point was denied to him by a french court. So technically he's not a french Bourbon but a french Orléans. 3. The whole point is to know if the primogeniture senior Bourbon/Borbon representative is the rightful heir to the french throne. This is the heart of the arguing. I won't make a summary of the points raised by each party, and even if I wanted I couldn't as I'm not interested in it (vive la République!), because it's too complex. Last edited by Warren; 09-15-2008 at 08:16 AM. Reason: repeat
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03-21-2006, 10:43 PM
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So long life to the House of Borbon in Spain, this king and the next: Felipe VI!!!!!
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03-21-2006, 11:24 PM
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Carmen reminds me a lot of that other impulsive crazy aristocrat, the Princess Thurn von Taxis, the one who married the aging Prince a couple of decades ago and when he died got a ton of money. Kind of Anna Nicole Smith in the USA and the notorious spanish baroness-by-marriage we see in Hola magazine all the time. Sofia cannot even be compared to her, the Queen has a class and style that sets her apart from the temperamental mother of Luis Alfonso, who is now best remembered for those racy and vulgar pictures she did for Hola a few months ago. Luis Alfonso is lucky he was raised by his paternal grandmother because she provided him some sense if decorum and dignity his mother lacks of to this day. Is too bad it was not King Juan Carlos who took over the guardianship of his cousin when his father, the Duke of Cadiz, died.
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03-21-2006, 11:30 PM
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#17
03-21-2006, 11:59 PM
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There certainly have been rumors going on about Maria Margarita's pregnancy, but they have been going since December. If it were true, she would be way bigger. So far, they are just rumors. They can only be trusted if a reputed magazine prints the story of her pregnancy or we see her out and about looking 'bigger.'
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