Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Family 2: November 2008-

[Warren]

Arms of Alfonso, Duke of Anjou and Cadiz (1936-1989), father of Luis Alfonso

Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Family 2
commencing November 2008

Part 1, covering the period September 2003 to November 2008, can be found here.

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[maidmarion]

Here is an interesting link someone sent me recently regarding Louis Alfonse de Bourbon and to some, Louis XX the current roi du jure. Most of it is in French but the music is absolutely great to listen too. This is a young and stunning couple in my most humble opinion! There are links on that site to other videos.

MM

Dailymotion - Pourquoi le Roi?, a video from thechouan. Roi, Roy, légitimiste, louis, France

[Aubisse]

COLEGIO INTERNACIONAL PEÑACORADA - S.A.R. Luis Alfonso de Borbón visita Peñacorada - Noticias Generales - Noticias

Thanks to Thribette (Forum Royauté2)

[Tilla]

S.A.R. Luis Alfonso de Borbon, a very good-looking man.

[Camilo2002]

HRH Luis Alfonso de Borbon, Duke of Anjou and not King Juan Carlos is the Head of the House of Borbon. This is the historic line that shows the Heads of The House of Borbon (and the dates in which they were Head of the House) starting with Louis XV who succeeded his greatgrandfather Louis XIV (all of them descendants of this King) who also descends from Henri IV of France (1553-1610), the first Borbon who became King.

King Louis XV of France
1712–1774

King Louis XVI of France
1774–1793

King Louis XVII of France
1793–1795

King Louis XVIII of France
1795–1824

King Charles X of France
1824–1836

Prince Louis-Antoine, Duke of Angoulême
1836–1844

Prince Henri, Count of Chambord
1844–1883

Infante Juan, Count of Montizón
1883–1887

Infante Carlos, Duke of Madrid
1887–1909

Infante Jaime, Duke of Madrid
1909–1931

Infante Alfonso Carlos, Duke of San Jaime
1931–1936

King Alfonso XIII of Spain
1936–1941

Infante Jaime, Duke of Segovia
1941–1975

HRH Alfonso, Duke of Anjou and Cádiz
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...20Cadiz/67.jpg
1975–1989

HRH Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou
1989–present
[ed by Warren: hotlinked image removed]

[Camilo2002]

Luis Alfonso's parents the day they got married (aren't they very cute?):
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...diz/000490.jpg

Luis Alfonso descends from almost every important monarch in history including Queen Victoria of England, Emperor Charles V of Germany and I of Spain, Kings Louis XIV and Louis XV of France, Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, Charlemagne, Hugh Capet, Mary Queen of Scots, Queen Isabella the Catholic, Saint Louis King of France, King Francis I of France, the Bruces of Scotland, the Plantagenets of England, the Savoys of Italy, the Vasas od Sweden, the Jagiellons of Hungary, the Hohenzollerns of Prusia, etc.

[emmeleia]

Indeed both his parents are beautiful in their wedding day, actually they shine!!!

What a terrible pity for his father to be lost, so young....

[Carminha Stalker]

That family sure had her share of sadness! I used to see the two boys, Francisco and Luis Alfonso, as children and with their two parents in many photos of magazines. First there was the separation, where he retained the sons, since it was she who abandoned the family to marry somebody else. Then the awful accident when little Francisco died and both the Duke of Cadiz and Luis Alfonso suffered terrible injuries. Then the awful death of the Duke. i admire Luis Alfonso, for having lived all these tragedies and still be a level-headed young man, living a normal family life.

[RhapsodyBrat]

Originally Posted by Camilo2002

Luis Alfonso's parents the day they got married (aren't they very cute?):
http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o...diz/000490.jpg

Very cute indeed. I had no idea Carmen Martinez Bordiú was that pretty when she was younger.

[Paty]

Originally Posted by Camilo2002

HRH Luis Alfonso de Borbon, Duke of Anjou and not King Juan Carlos is the Head of the House of Borbon. This is the historic line that shows the Heads of The House of Borbon (and the dates in which they were Head of the House) starting with Louis XV who succeeded his greatgrandfather Louis XIV (all of them descendants of this King) who also descends from Henri IV of France (1553-1610), the first Borbon who became King.

I´m Sorry but you are worn Camilo:

Because he was deaf-mute as the result of a childhood operation, he renounced his rights to the Spanish throne for himself and his descendants on 21 June /23 June 1933. He then became the 1st Duke of Segovia

[Warren]

We are actually discussing two different things. Juan Carlos is the King of Spain, while Luis Alfonso is the senior primogeniture Bourbon. This position of eldest surviving son of the eldest son etc of King Alfonso XIII makes Luis Alfonso, in some eyes, the Head of the House of Bourbon.

It may seem odd, and it's dynastically unusual, but the situation with the Spanish succession means that the position of King of Spain and the position of Head of the House of Bourbon are not necessarily one and the same. In a similar manner, when Juan Carlos came to the throne in 1975 his father was alive. Thus the Count of Barcelona remained the titular Head of this branch of the Bourbons until his death in 1993 although his son was the King of Spain.

It should also be kept in mind that the Bourbon dynasty encompases several branches - Two-Sicilies, Parma, France (Bourbon-Orléans) and Spain, the latter being the senior line.

[MAfan]

If I remember correctly, the Count of Barcelona renounced his rights to the Spanish Throne in favour of his son Juan Carlos in 1977.

[Warren]

Yes, but again we are talking about two different things: a King may not necessarily be Head of a House.

[Camilo2002]

Originally Posted by Paty

I´m Sorry but you are worn Camilo:

Actually my point of view is the right one. Take a look of the following:

When Infante Jaime rennounced to his right to the throne of Spain, he did not resigned to the inherent position as apparent heir of head of the House of Bourbon; as Warren stated in this thread many times, one thing is to be the King and other is to be the Head of the House.

King Juan Carlos, actually, did not inherit the Crown of Spain from his grandfather Alfonso XIII. Juan Carlos I was "appointed" as King by Francisco Franco who was the absolute ruler of Spain who happened to be monarchist. Franco could have appointed any Bourbon he wanted to be the King of Spain as Franco's power in Spain was more absolute than any other ruler of his time.

When the French Bourbons took over the Kingdom of Spain many branches where created in Spain's Italian possessions and descendants of King Phillipe V of Spain became rulers; thus cadet branches of the Bourbon House where created. Then, we have the Bourbon-Parma, the Bourbon-Two Sicilies, etc.

The first Bourbon who bercame King was Henry of Bourbon, King of France, who reigned as Henry IV. After this King, the Head of the House was always the King of France (exception made of the Buonapartes and Louis Philippe I Orleans - a minor branch of the Bourbon House) until the death of Charles X of France.

The line of Bourbon Kings in France is the following:

Henry IV -> Louis XIII-> Louis XIV -> Louis XV -> Louis XVI - > Louis XVII -> Louis XVIII -> Charles X

Following the death of the Henry Count of Chambord (grandson of French King Charles X) the masculine legitimate male descendants of Louis XV became extinct. Therefore you have to find the elder masculine legitimate descendant of Louis XIV to find the head of the house, which leads you to the Spanish Bourbons.

Through Philippe V King of Spain (legitimate grandson of Louis XIV) the masculine legitimate line goes directly from Louis XIV to Luis Alfonso de Bourbon, whose grandfather, Infante Jaime of Bourbon was older than his brother Infante Juan (King Juan Carlos' father).

The head of the House of Bourbon passed from Alfonso XIII to Infante Jaime to HRH Alfonso Bourbon to HRH Luis Alfonso of Bourbon (who is a dual citizen of France and Spain).

The Orleans descend in masculine legitimate line from Louis XIII; they also descend from Louis XIV through his illegitimate daughters with his mistress Madame de Montespan, therefore the Spanish Bourbons have a better right to be the Head of the House than the French Bourbon-Orleans.

[MAfan]

So these facts make Luis Alfonso the Head of Bourbon Family, but it doesn't imply that he is the heir to the French throne...

[Camilo2002]

Originally Posted by MAfan

So these facts make Luis Alfonso the Head of Bourbon Family, but it doesn't imply that he is the heir to the French throne...

There are no heirs because there is no throne; however, there are claimants to the hypothetical throne of France. The strongest are especifically 3 claimants and Luis Alfonso is one of them. It all depends on the point of view.

Legitimists: For the legitimists (legitimate male direct line of Hugh Capet, first King of France) who stick to the Bourbon Dynasty, Luis Alfonso of Bourbon is the right claimant, given that he is the Head of the House of Bourbon and senior legitimate direct male line descendant of Louis XIV.

Orleanists: The Orleanists state that the right claimant is the heir of deposed Louis Philippe Orleans (who reigned in France for 18 years as Louis Philippe I); therefore, this claimant would be Henry Orleans, Comte of Paris as older great great great grandson and Head of the House of Boubon-Orleans.

Bonapartists: For Bonapartists the right claimant is Jean Christophe Bonaparte great great great great grandson of Jerome Bonaparte (brother of Napoleon I). Unlike his ancestors the first Bonapartes, Jean Christophe has an impeccable pedigree and his ancestors include members of the Royal Houses of Austria (legitimate descendants of Empress Maria Theresa), Belgium (legitimate descendants of King Leopold II), France (legitimate descendants of Louis XV), Spain (legitimate descendants of Charles IV), Italy (Savoy), Parma (Bourbon-Parma), Saxonia, Poland (Leczinski), Two Sicilies (Bourbon-Two Sicilies), Wurtemberg and Great Britain (Hannover). Prince Jean Christophe is the Head of the House of Bonaparte.

This fight can be interesting but I think it is just futile; France will never go back to a Monarchy. However, in my opinion the legitimists have a better standing, given that they follow the Sucession Law which ruled the Kingdom of France for over 800 years.

[giov]

Gallery Purepeople
Louis de Bourbon playing polo.

Louis de Bourbon : admirez l'athlète !!!

[V.F.H.78]

Thank you for the link giov.
I didn't know that S.A.R. Luis Alfonso de Bourbon was a polo player (like prince Charles of England).

On this link you can also see the pictures of Luis de Bourbon, his wife and daughter, in Venice, for a romantic holidays last summer.

[Thribette]

VFH, the photos didn't get out...
Giov, super gallery for "fans", thank you!
He has always horse-rided, has been captain of a Madrid ice hockey, so when he met his political family (in 2002 I think), he had all the qualities to make a good polo player... all but his morphology, as in polo small, thin persons are advantaged. He has now a handicap 0 (the scale is from -2 to 10, rarely do amateurs reach 3 or above — even if his father-in-law did reach 3), he won an important match on feb 15 in Palm Beach, but I suppose he will never be able to reach summits because of his size.

[V.F.H.78]

Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Maria Margarita were in Madrid, Spain, for the Easter holidays.
Pictures here (from Diez Minutos) :
Luis Alfonso de Borbón vuelve a España - Famosos Españoles - Famosos Corazón - Famosas, noticias de famosos, fotos al detalle - Diez Minutos

Have a look at Maria Margarita's belly... (pic 4)