Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Family 2: February 2006-November 2008

[Russian]

Have the French laws of the succession to the throne got such a specific idea as a morganatic marriage? I read that the heir to the French throne must have Roman Catholic parents and must be born in France. Is it correct? If the French legitimists have not such an idea as a morganatic marriage, why madame de Montespan or marquise de Pompadour become not French queens, but the Spanish and Austrian princesses become wives of the French kings?

[Avalon]

Originally Posted by Russian

Have the French laws of the succession to the throne got such a specific idea as a morganatic marriage? I read that the heir to the French throne must have Roman Catholic parents and must be born in France. Is it correct? If the French legitimists have not such an idea as a morganatic marriage, why madame de Montespan or marquise de Pompadour become not French queens, but the Spanish and Austrian princesses become wives of the French kings?

Madame de Pompadour and King Louis XV were never married, nor morgantically nor in any other way.

Marquise de Maintenon and King Louis XIV were married and their marriage was considered morganitc. They were married privately and in secrecy (which was the reason the marriage was morgantic). If Louis wanted to make Maquise de Maintenon a Queen, I think he could find a way to do that. But both seemed tp be ok with the status of the King's second, morganitc wife.

[Thribette]

In fact, ther is none notion of morganatic marriage in France. It is a rather german one. This is why, Louis XIV and Madame de Maintenon, who did not want her to be the queen (if she had been still young enough to give him children, probably she would have been queen, at least just before his/her death to legalize the children as successible princes, I suppose), married secretly, as there was no other way to marry without her becoming queen.

The duke of Anjou's grandfather, Emmanuelle de Dampierre, was daughter of a member of an illustrious French family (I am trying to verify it is well the same family that once reigned on Flanders and Bourbonnais), duke of San Lorenzo and his wife, of a sovereign Italian family who had renounced in 1816 to their sovereingity in favor of the pope. It is to note that both Emmanuelle de Dampierre's grandmothers were American!
Anyway, in France, the birth of wives have nothing to see with successibility. We have a very little elegant expression : le coq ennoblit la poule (the cock/rooster ennoblishes the hen) as in France, whatever her birth, higher or lower, the wife follows the condition of her husband. Louis XIV had commoner grandgrandchildren, if I remember well...
In Spain, the ancient succession laws foresaw no exclusion in case of unequal marriages, but the princes who married unequally would usually lose their titles (even if it has nearly always been derogated to this rule), while keeping successible unless the Spanish parliament, the Cortes, would exclude them, which happened under the Constitutionnal monarchy.
In the case of don Jaime (later Jacques Henri VI of France), first the marriage was not absolutely unequal, at least not much more than his father's with Victoria-Eugenia of Battenberg, and it was authorized by Alfonso XIII who did not send him the previous signification that this marriage would deprive him of his titles, so he kept with them.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Thribette

In the case of don Jaime (later Jacques Henri VI of France), first the marriage was not absolutely unequal, at least not much more than his father's with Victoria-Eugenia of Battenberg, and it was authorized by Alfonso XIII who did not send him the previous signification that this marriage would deprive him of his titles, so he kept with them.

There is no contesting that the marriage of Alfonso XIII was equal. Victoria-Eugenie was born HH Princess of Battenburg and was a granddaughter of Queen Victoria. On top of that she was accepted as an equal bride by her husband and the Spanish Parliament. In the case of Emanuela, I suppose that Jaime was free to marry whoever he wanted since he possessed no dynastic rights in Spain and thus didn't have to get the King's approval (since he renounced his succession rights in 1933) nor possessed any claim to the throne of France (great great great great great grandpa Felipe took care of that hundreds of years ago).

[Thribette]

Please, excuse me for answering so late.
In Spain, only the king can abdicate; and he cannot chose his successor, except if the Cortes accept.
It is very important to understand the critical role of the parliament, the Cortes. The royal succession is totally submitted to the Cortes of Castilla, congregated specifically for each modification of the succession law, and even for the nomination of the heir prince, the prince of Asturias. The king has none other power in it, than to convene the Cortes (note : constitutionnalists, who consider Isabelle II was the legitimate queen in 1833, are less formalist about it and consider that a mere vote of the parliament can modify th succession law, which is hardly defendible in a legal point of view, but I wanted to precise).
So, Alfonso XIII, who was king in 1933, could abdicate, but none of his sons could do it (in addition, don Jaime's renouncement was made under pression of his father, in a hotel room, without witness, and with the condition that his father would sustent him, what he didn't do). Thus, 1933 renouncements (the one of the prince of Asturias, who married a commoner without his father's authorisation, and the one of don Jaime) were totally invalid.

[Thribette]

As every year, the dukes of Anjou will assist to the anniversary mass of the foundation of the military hospital of the Invalides, as the duke of Anjou is the eldest descendant (in French succession rules) of king Louis XIV, who funded the hospital.
The mass, on next sunday (09/23/07, 11h AM) will be said by Mgr Le Gal, French bishop for the armies.
Usually, the son of Prince Napoléon is also present for this mass, as heir of Napoléon, who modified the hospital and was buried there.

Right under, the message sent by the Institute of the House of Bourbon (IMB).

Le : 19/09/2007
Monseigneur le Prince Louis de Bourbon, Duc d’Anjou et Madame la Princesse Marie-Marguerite, Duchesse d’Anjou à la messe annuelle de fondation des Invalides dimanche 23 septembre 2007

Chaque année l’Institution national des Invalides commémore sa fondation en 1670 par le Roi Louis XIV soucieux de donner à ses anciens soldats un asile digne du sacrifice qui avait le leur.

Le général d’Armée H. Gobillard, Gouverneur des Invalides, le Médecin-général Inspecteur C. Corbé directeur de l’Institution, et le général Bresse directeur du Musée de l’Armée, invitent traditionnellement le successeur du fondateur à cette cérémonie. Depuis plus de vingt le chef de la Maison de Bourbon assiste à cette messe.

Comme les deux années passées la Princesse Marie-Marguerite, duchesse d’Anjou, sera également présente.

La messe de fondation a été voulue par le Roi Louis XIV. Elle est dédiée au repos de l’âme de tous les pensionnaires qui depuis trois cent trente ans forment une chaîne ininterrompue de héros, parfois célèbres mais le plus souvent discrets, qui ont servi la France.

La messe sera célébrée à 11 heures dimanche 23 septembre par S.E. Monseigneur Patrick Le Gal, Evêque aux Armées.


Contact : 06 28 948 988

Pièce jointe : biographie de Monseigneur le Prince Louis, Chef de la Maison de Bourbon, successeur légitime des rois de France.

Institut de la Maison de Bourbon, 81, avenue de La Bourdonnais, 75007 Paris
Association reconnue d’utilité publique.
Monseigneur le Prince Louis de Bourbon
duc d’Anjou

Le Prince Louis de Bourbon, duc d’Anjou est l’aîné des Capétiens et le successeur légitime des rois de France. Il descend en ligne directe d’Henri IV premier roi de la branche des Bourbons. Dix générations le relient directement à Louis XIV. Né le 25 avril 1974, il est le fils du Prince Alphonse de Bourbon, duc d’Anjou et de Cadix (décédé en 1989). Le 6 novembre 2004 le Prince a épousé la Princesse Marie-Marguerite.

Le Prince Louis est arrière-petit-fils du roi Alphonse XIII d’Espagne, et cousin de S.M. le roi Juan-Carlos Ier d’Espagne. Chef de nom et d’armes des Bourbons, le Prince Louis porte les armes dites « de France » en héraldique, c’est-à-dire d’azur à trois fleurs de lis d’or. En qualité de chef de la Maison de Bourbon, il est le Grand-Maître des ordres de Saint-Michel (fondé par Louis XI) et du Saint-Esprit (fondé par Henri III).

Le Prince est Bailli Grand croix de l’Ordre de Malte depuis juin 2000, dignité réservée aux chefs d’Etat ou de Maisons souveraines. Il est membre titulaire de la Société des Cincinnati de France (créée en 1783), où il représente le roi Louis XVI.

Le Prince est également citoyen d’honneur de la ville d’Aigues-Mortes, président d’honneur et protecteur de l’Institut de la Maison de Bourbon (organisme culturel reconnu d’utilité publique, fondé en 1973) et de la fédération des Associations Présence du Souvenir Bourbonien, ainsi que membre du comité d’honneur du Festival de musique de Comminges.

Le Prince Louis assume son statut de chef de maison royale et le manifeste par de nombreux gestes. Il a, entre autres, depuis 1992, présidé le dépôt des reliques de Saint-Louis à Aigues-Mortes, le bicentenaire de la mort de Louis XVI à Saint-Denis, la commémoration officielle du quatrième centenaire du sacre d’Henri IV à Chartres. En 1996, année du quinze centième anniversaire du baptême de la France, reçu par l’archevêque et le maire de Reims, le Prince se recueille devant la Sainte-Ampoule dont les restes sont pieusement conservés dans la Cathédrale des sacres. Au début de l’année 2000, le Prince a annoncé en tant que Chef de Maison, les résultats positifs de l’analyse ADN du cœur de Louis XVII. Quatre ans plus tard, le 8 juin 2004, il pouvait déposer solennellement la précieuse relique dans la crypte des Bourbons de la Nécropole Royale de Saint-Denis.

Monseigneur le Duc d’Anjou est accueilli, depuis 1992 régulièrement par les maires de nombreuses villes de France (Aigues-Mortes, Marseille, Lyon, Reims, Dinard, Saumur, Amboise, Loches, Angers, Lunéville, Nancy etc.) pour présider des cérémonies commémoratives diverses.

Il a été reçu en 1996 par le Marine nationale à Brest, où il a visité le porte-avions nucléaire Charles-De-Gaulle, et en 1997 à Toulon pour des exercices en mer à bord d’un aviso. En janvier 1998, le Duc d’Anjou a participé à l’inauguration du Stade de France.

Catholique, le Prince Louis de Bourbon, en 1996, a assisté à Reims à la messe célébrée par S.S. le pape Jean-Paul II pour le XVe centenaire du baptême de Clovis. Il a participé aux Journées Mondiales de la Jeunesse à Paris en août 1997. Le 25 août 2000 il a présidé plusieurs cérémonies commémoratives de la création de la ville de Saint-Louis au Missouri (USA) par Louis XV et déposé des reliques du saint Roi dans la cathédrale de la ville. Lors du jubilé de l’an 2000, à Rome, le Prince a rendu hommage au Saint-Père en tant qu’aîné des capétiens et petit fils de Saint-Louis. En août 2002 le Prince a participé aux solennités annuelles des Pieux Etablissements de France à Rome et à Notre Dame de Lorette en Italie. En avril 2005 il fut présent avec la Princesse Marie Marguerite, aux funérailles de Sa Sainteté le Pape Jean-Paul II au Vatican parmi les nombreuses délégations officielles.

Le 5 mars 2007, naissance de SAR la Princesse Eugénie, premier enfant du Prince Louis, baptisée à Paris le 2 juin 2007.

[Regina]

Originally Posted by Thribette

As every year, the dukes of Anjou will assist to the anniversary mass of the foundation of the military hospital of the Invalides, as the duke of Anjou is the eldest descendant (in French succession rules) of king Louis XIV, who funded the hospital.
The mass, on next sunday (09/23/07, 11h AM) will be said by Mgr Le Gal, French bishop for the armies.

Here some Pictures from Hola.com

Margarita is so regal and beautiful here (picture of the same event, from Hola.com)

[Thribette]

I like her so much! She is really kind, patient... I could see her in last June, she was really royal, as far as I can make a judgement.
I have discovered, too, that she is a cousin of Princess Maxima of Nederlands, by the de la Guerra noble family of Canarias (Rosa Escudero de la Guerra married Juan Fernández Cornejo y Silva, 6 generations later Jesús Hernández Cornejo — probably a woman! — married Mariano Zorreguieta Maurín, Princess Maxima's Grand-Grandfather; on the other side, Princess Margarita's maternal grandfather, was son of Carmen Guerra Rauseo, direct descendent of Fernando de la Guerra y Vega, born in Tenerife about 1600, who married in Venezuela in 1627 (he may be the chief fiscalist of Chile of 1620, but it is absolutely not certain) Isabel Luna Lazcano y Mendoza, who had probably a lot of royal blood from both her father and mother.

[Thribette]

Here it is!
The photo album of the mass at Invalides in presence of the dukes of Anjou, is available on the site of the Institute of the House of Bourbon (IMB) :
Invalides 2007

Here just a sample, as they are of free access but not free of rights :

http://www.royaute.org/uploads/image...s/DSC_0086.JPG

[morgsp]

Hi Guys Im new here,so i hope im posting at the right plac or my question does antone hav more info his older brother Francisco i feel like he has never really been around??

[Benjamin]

Dear morgsp,
I don't believe there is much known about Francisco. He died at the age of eleven in a car accident. His father was driving.

[carlota]

quick visit to spain from the dukes of anjou: Noticias breves de actualidad

the couple was in valencia for a gala, invited by the baroness of alacuas. it's a shame there aren't more pictures...

[Thribette]

The barons of Alacuas were nearly parents for the duke of Anjou when his father died.
Here photos from Invalides, taken by a danish agency I didn't know:
Duchesse d'Anjou

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...nvalides07.jpg

Here with princess Napoléon (Alix de Foresta) and prince Jean of Orléans, "duc de Vendôme".

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...sDynasties.jpg

[Regina]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

Hi,
I can't see the pictures?
Could you please post them again?

I am afraid I don't have all these old pictures anymore. But here you have 3 of them:

1

2

3

[Vanesa]

Thank you for posting these. They are interesting.

Sadly, I think that even if we are discussing and discussing if Alfonso de Borbón must be or not the King of France if Monarchy could be restored, the young man is not at all interesting in climbing over Saint-Louis throne...It is sad. But it is the strict truth.

He is Louis XX, that's true. But his is not awfully crazy about it.

Vanesa.

[renia24]

I Like This Couple Too : The Only Problem Is : Luis Is So Beautifull Man And Margarita Is Not So Pretty , Luis Like Beautifull Girls , But Margarita Have A Lot Money !!! I Hope Th Ecouple Dure But Do Not Forget Is So Beautifull And A Lots Girls See Luis

[lilytornado]

I actually think Margarita is quite pretty.

[biboquinhas]

I think Margarita has a very beautiful face and she knows how to dress properly too, I think she could lose some weight (if that is an important thing for her but if she fells good that way she should keep it that way)

[Regina]

Originally Posted by biboquinhas

I think Margarita has a very beautiful face and she knows how to dress properly too, I think she could lose some weight (if that is an important thing for her but if she fells good that way she should keep it that way)

I agree. I think Margarita has a very proportional face, and her blue eyes are beautiful!