Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Family 2: February 2006-November 2008 - Page 6

ceci · #**101** 06-04-2007, 06:43 PM

They are a lovely young couple and Eugenia is a cute baby.

Princess Robijn · #**102** 06-05-2007, 10:16 AM

What are the titles of Luis Alfonso, and of Margarita and the little Eugenia??

Is the case of Margarita the same as the case of Clotilde of Savoy?? And the case of Eugenia the same as Vittoria & Luisa of Savoy? Meaning Eugenia is styled a Princess..

**Warren** · #**103** 06-05-2007, 10:38 AM

It depends entirely on your viewpoint.
To some, Luis Alfonso and his wife are the Duke and Duchess of Anjou, and together with their daughter, Prince/Princesses of Bourbon, with the qualification of Royal Highness.
To others, Luis Alfonso is His Excellency Luis Alfonso de Bourbon, and his wife and daughter are... well, his wife and daughter.

**Marengo** · #**104** 06-05-2007, 10:46 AM

Exactly Warren, so it is plain Miss Eugenia de Borbon. As she was born in the US I don't think she is allowed to get de Borbon y Vargas.

Thribette · #**105** 06-06-2007, 04:30 AM

I was in Paris on sunday, I can tell you that the duke of Anjou (he is really the person who would be king if France decided to re-establish monarchy, the French dynastic laws are quite precise) really loves his wife, who really loves him, and who is very courageous because the weather was not so warm sunday, and she shaked hands during more or less one hour, outside, wearing her light dress, while she has always lived in tropical countries...
Her dress for the christening would be a Carolina Herrera one, I read it on Hola forum, and I confess that it surprised me too, because the princess Margarita is a very devote catholic, always wearing covering clothing (at least, more than women of her age, it is often reproached to her), so it was unusual.
I was very pleased to see the duke of Anjou so happy. His wife is exactly the person he had always said he needed : a person who loved him, in spite of the fact he looks so cold... In fact, he doesn't really look so cold when you get used to. He is less expressive. He confessed, a few years ago, that he was no more able to weep, after such a life of tragedy, but if you look, for instance, at his marriage photos, you can really see how deep his joy. His wife is also the person he needed because he was not rich, in spite of a prestigious diploma he was working in a bank, nearly as a mere recruiter for high-profile customers, and now he is responsible with the international affairs of his father-in-law's bank, as a french monarchist I prefer, it is a far better formation for a future king. Also, I think his in-laws are a loving family, in which he feels happy. Of course, they are so fond of polo, and he is too tall and strong to become one day a great polo player, but nothing really terrible...
He was poor because, if his father was said to be stupid (by people following don Juan, father of king Juan-Carlos), it is absolutely not because he was, but because as a prince and as husband of Franco's grand-daughter, he could have enriched as many others did, i.e. not very honestly, instead of what he never asked for anything but his salaries, considered very modest.

**Warren** · #**106** 06-06-2007, 05:38 AM

Thank you Thribette for adding to the discussion with your debut post.

Princess Robijn · #**107** 06-06-2007, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren

It depends entirely on your viewpoint.
To some, Luis Alfonso and his wife are the Duke and Duchess of Anjou, and together with their daughter, Prince/Princesses of Bourbon, with the qualification of Royal Highness.
To others, Luis Alfonso is His Excellency Luis Alfonso de Bourbon, and his wife and daughter are... well, his wife and daughter.

ok, thanks..

So it's ok for me to see Eugenia as a Princess.. cool

biboquinhas · #**108** 06-06-2007, 07:44 AM

Margarita is lovely in this white dress! But I cannot understand, it was two ceremonies???? Margarita is really beautiful and the baby is very chubby! But she has her hears pirce, gohsss so little!!!!

Princess Robijn · #**109** 06-06-2007, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by biboquinhas

Margarita is lovely in this white dress! But I cannot understand, it was two ceremonies???? Margarita is really beautiful and the baby is very chubby! But she has her hears pirce, gohsss so little!!!!

The christening was on 02-06-2007, the reception was on 03-06-2007.

Thribette · #**110** 06-06-2007, 09:55 AM

Please excuse me... I didn't introduce myself (I must say I am a "pure" commoner and somehow a peasant).
I am a 36 years old French (you probably guessed it reading my bad English) monarchist, I became so at 15 because I was very fond of books, and I am very glad of the personnality of the prince the Providence gave us (well, I am catholic, too) as "potential king" or king "de juris".
I will try to send you photos when they are available on a French forum where I sent them, but I fear they are not as good as the "deadline" ones that were sent previously.

ceci · #**111** 06-06-2007, 02:22 PM

Welcome to the forum, Thribette!! and thanks to share your experience here.

magnik · #**112** 06-06-2007, 05:28 PM

Are the Princes or not but they looks sweet family

I found this on wikipedia: He is recognised as His Royal Highness by the French Minister of Justice, and the Spanish crown.
More about the Who is the Rightful Heir to the French Throne? here.

planetcher · #**113** 06-06-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by biboquinhas

Margarita is lovely in this white dress! But I cannot understand, it was two ceremonies???? Margarita is really beautiful and the baby is very chubby! But she has her hears pirce, gohsss so little!!!!

In the Philippines, where I was born, baby girls' ears are pierced by doctors upon birth.

**Warren** · #**114** 06-07-2007, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by magnik

He is recognised as His Royal Highness by the French Minister of Justice, and the Spanish crown.

Certainly not by the Spanish Crown as it was Juan Carlos who stripped him of his HRH and reduced him to a mere Excellency in 1987. For more of the same, see here.

magnik · #**115** 06-07-2007, 04:06 PM

I remember that there was smth about that.

Thribette · #**116** 06-08-2007, 12:47 PM

Warren, his HRH was not suppressed in 1987, it was made non-hereditary at that moment. This makes that his children are not Spanish RH.
They are French RH, of course.
Now, it is right that the king of Spain who tries to limit the size of Spanish royalty (easy to understand), would like him not to use his RH; but he owns it, as he was born with it. The king of Spain could suppress his RH, if he wished so, by a law, he does not.

**Warren** · #**117** 06-09-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thribette

Warren, his HRH was not suppressed in 1987, it was made non-hereditary at that moment. This makes that his children are not Spanish RH.Now, it is right that the king of Spain who tries to limit the size of Spanish royalty would like him not to use his RH; but he owns it, as he was born with it. The king of Spain could suppress his RH, if he wished so, by a law, he does not.

I think it unlikely that Luis Alfonso was downgraded to Excellency as a means of limiting the size of the Spanish Royal Family. It was because the Royal Court thought it prudent to remove any royal connection, or as we would say "to put him in his place", while still a boy. From the French side, the Comte de Paris made a similar but rather hamfisted manoeuver when Luis Alfonso's title of duc d'Anjou was bestowed on the Comte's nephew Prince Charles-Philippe d'Orléans.

These little humiliations have come LA's way because he is the senior Bourbon, and Primogeniture Representative of the House of France, a position neither the King of Spain nor the de juré King of the French can claim. Mind you, there is nothing that he has actually done to offend anybody; it's the fact that these House of Bourbon dynastic positions have fallen to Luis Alfonso which makes the Spanish Court and the Orléanists uncomfortable. Neither wants a rival waiting in the wings, and certainly not one with a superior titular claim upheld by royal legitimists.

Put more simply, it's a case of two branches of a sprawling dynasty protecting their turf against a potential but extremely unlikely threat.

Thribette · #**118** 06-11-2007, 01:43 AM

Warren, the 1987 decret that suppressed the heredity of Royal Highness for members of the royal family, but not, I repeat, for the ones already holding it (it was the case of the duke of Anjou) is available on the Spanish Royal Family official site, as well as on most juridical sites in Spanish. If you don't read Spanish, I may translate it (please excuse my poor English).

About the de jure king of France, he is undoubtly him, not an Orléans, in virtue of French dynastic laws, that are both original and special.

Russian · #**119** 06-18-2007, 06:14 PM

I am sorry, but I have some questions.
Have you such an idea as a morganatic marriage?
It seems that you have not such an idea as a morganatic marriage.
The morganatic marriage is a misalliance or an unequal marriage.
The morganatic marriage is the marriage of princes of royal blood or aristocrats and girls who come from simpler and modest families. Let’s consider a genealogy of Prince Luis Alfonso de Bourbon who is legitimist pretender to the French throne. His great grandfather, Spanish King Alfonso XIII, was married to English Queen Victoria’s granddaughter. I think that their marriage was equal. One from their sons and grandfather of Luis Alfonso, Don Jaime, has married Elisabeth