Luis Alfonso de Bourbon and Family 2: February 2006-November 2008

[pdas1201]

Originally Posted by Toledo

I remember the wedding pictures of Luis Alfonso and the dress his mother wore. I think she thought she was the main spectacle and not her son.

I agree with that. To this day, the only thing I can really remember about Luis Alfonso's wedding is not the bride or the groom (which is a shame) but the mother, I am sorry to say but she was practically coming out of her dress, not something a groom's mother would wear. She completely overshadowed her son's wedding and not in a good way.

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Toledo

If Luis Alfonso and Margarita have only daugthers that will be it for his legitimist 'seniorship' since the French Bourbons are very Salic law oriented, almost as obsessive as the Romanov claimants and their disputes against Grand Duchess Maria Vladimirovna and her son. It's like parallel stories. and...Viva la Monarquía!

If LA and Margarita have only daughters, which would solve the problem, the legitimist claims would go to king Juan Carlos, and there could be interesting matters here

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Toledo

Carmen reminds me a lot of that other impulsive crazy aristocrat, the Princess Thurn von Taxis, the one who married the aging Prince a couple of decades ago and when he died got a ton of money. Kind of Anna Nicole Smith in the USA...

Toledo, that's a very unfair comment on Princess Gloria. She is neither impulsive nor crazy. It was she who rescued the Thurn und Taxis patrimony after the death of her husband and his business empire was shaky. It was Gloria who took control and brought in the professional managers and trustworthy financial advisers. Gloria, pigeon-holed and ridiculed as the airhead "Punk Princess", surprised everyone and proved to be a hard-headed and astute businesswoman, and a loving and devoted mother. Anna Nicole Smith she is not!

[Toledo]

What is imprinted on my mind from many years ago is a very public picture of Gloria wearing nothing but two strings of vertical material to barely cover her breasts and thinking to myself, well, that's something I'll never see Grace Kelly wearing anytime soon
Has she toned down her act?

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Danielane

If LA and Margarita have only daughters, which would solve the problem, the legitimist claims would go to king Juan Carlos, and there could be interesting matters here

I think there is something called the 18th century Family Pact to prevent that. Maybe the legacy would revert to one of the other branches? You know what would have driven the Orleans off the edge? if Luis Alfonso had married the daugther of the current Bonaparte claimant! She is also the daugther of a Borbon-Two Sicilies princess.

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Toledo

I think there is something called the 18th century Family Pact to prevent that. Maybe the legacy would revert to one of the other branches? You know what would have driven the Orleans off the edge? if Luis Alfonso had married the daugther of the current Bonaparte claimant! She is also the daugther of a Borbon-Two Sicilies princess.

Yes, I forgot this. The claim would then go to the branch of the duques di Sevilla.
And I don't understand why the hypothetical wedding of Luis Alfonso and Caroline Napoléon would have drivent the Orléans of the edge.

[crisiñaki]

Originally Posted by Toledo

I'm telling you, when Juan Carlos and Sofia became the monarchs the monarchy was saved from going down the drain.

Yeah, thank God the true professionals got the throne

[mtbcm]

Louis-Alphonse of Borbón and his wife Margarita travelled to Valencia to live the tradicional spanish festivity of "Fallas".

Margarita Vargas de Borbón dressed as fallera participated in a celebration consisting in a flower offer to the Virgen de los Desamparados. In this second picture Margarita covers her head with a black mantilla.

(source: Hola magazine)

[kingfernidad]

I found King Louis XX of France House of Bourbon quite interesting. He has a nice site at http://www.royaute.org/ but I don't know if he will last like D'Arc didn't.

Best Wishes, -King Fernidad Frederick of Prussia

[Russian]

Excuse, but I have a question.

Luis Alfonso is married Maria Margarita. Him mother was the grand daughter of Spanish dictator Franco. Luis Alfonco and him father are considered legitimists as heir-at-laws of the French kings. Excuse me, but unless it not morganatic marriages?

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Russian

Excuse, but I have a question.

Luis Alfonso is married Maria Margarita. Him mother was the grand daughter of Spanish dictator Franco. Luis Alfonco and him father are considered legitimists as heir-at-laws of the French kings. Excuse me, but unless it not morganatic marriages?

Their is no morganatic marriage in the french royal families.
And about being the heirs, many people will disagree with you.

[Russian]

Their is no morganatic marriage in the french royal families

Whether means this fact what representatives of the French royal families marry on love?

And about being the heirs, many people will disagree with you

At Luis Alfonso there are not enough supporters?

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Russian

Whether means this fact what representatives of the French royal families marry on love?

What I meant is that for the Orléans and the Bourbons, the notion of morganatic wedding simply doesn't exist. An "unequal" marriage is not a morganatic one, and is allowed. When Charles-Louis d'Orléans, duke of Chartes, married Ileana Manos, his wife became princess Ileana, duchess of Chartres, he wasn't deprived of his rights and their two sons have rights on the french throne.

At Luis Alfonso there are not enough supporters?

First there's very few monarchist supporters. Secondly, I highly doubt L-A cares a lot about his rights to the french throne. He does very little to claim them. Thirdly, this claim is not very popular among monarchists, and is known in France since less times than the orleanist one.

[Louis14]

Originally Posted by Danielane

First there's very few monarchist supporters. Secondly, I highly doubt L-A cares a lot about his rights to the french throne. He does very little to claim them. Thirdly, this claim is not very popular among monarchists, and is known in France since less times than the orleanist one.

I really respect your opinion but I do not agree with you at all.

A large majority of the French monarchists are Legitimists and for them, Louis XX, the elder of all the Capetians and of all the descendants of King Louis XIV the Great, is the only pretender of the French throne.

According to the fundamental laws of the Kingdom of France, the Crown of France is transmitted by order of seniority, from male descendant to male descendant of the same branch; it is only in the case of extinction of the elder branch that it passes to the elder of the branch which comes immediately after.

For the French Legitimists, Louis-Philippe I was an usurper. Moreover, his father Louis-Philippe d'Orleans, Philippe Egalité, voted for the death of King Louis XVI. For us, the Orleans are regicides, they cannot claim to the throne of France.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

Edit: I have edited your post. Regular members are not allowed to use bold letters. Thank you. Danielane.

[Aubisse]

According to the Intitut de la Maison de Bourbon, he shall introduce a lecture about Queen Marie Antoinette

[Russian]

Luis Alfonso had girlfriends or brides from the European princesses earlier? I heard, many of its supporters have been disappointed by its Venezuelan marriage?

[Toledo]

Trust me, when you fall in love and marry someone that loves you too, that's not being dissapointed, is having all the luck in the world.

[rodolfo14]

Where Luis Alfonso and his wife will spend their summer holidays this year? Will they be in Spain?

[Lindy]

Why didn't Luis Alfonso attend his mother's wedding?

[tdarlene]

Nobody knows the real reason, but many spanish jornalists says the the reason is that Luis Alfonso doesn´t approve his mother beahaviour and he doesn´t accept as well her marriage with a much younger man