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Old 03-22-2015, 05:20 AM
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The Duke and Duchess of Anjou attended the 25 years anniversary bullfight of Spanish bullfighter Enrique Ponce in Valencia, Spain on March 16, 2015:



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Old 03-31-2015, 03:29 AM
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The Duchess of Anjou and her kids attended the Telva Children Awards 2015 party in Madrid on March 24:



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The Duke of Anjou and Carmen Martinez-Bordiu attend a bullfight in Guadalajara on Saturday. King Juan Carlos of Spain was also present:

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Old 04-13-2015, 05:29 PM
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It's interesting that the duke proclames himself as a defendant of Christian values, but attends bullfights that is a kind of cruelty. Of course, there is nothing specific against it and he doesn't take part himself, but still....
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The Duke and the Duchess of Anjou will visit Morbihan at the end of this month at 300 years Anniversary of the death of King Louis XIV of France:

Duc d'Anjou. Visite princière dans le Morbihan du 29 au 31 mai - Bretagne - Le Télégramme, quotidien de la Bretagne
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Old 05-22-2015, 01:37 PM
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Enter Louis XX! Meet the (rather handsome) Spanish duke who claims that he should be the next King of FRANCE-
Spanish duke claims that he should be the next King of FRANCE | Daily Mail Online

I think it would be nice to see the French monarchy restored in France.
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:29 PM
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The predictable catalogue of errors from 'The Fail' , but I suppose they can hardly be expected to get so complex a story right.. Louis XIV was NOT the last Bourbon King of France, That was Charles X... who reigned until 1830. The last King 'of the French' was Louis Philippe, from a collateral, junior branch of the Bourbons. He was desposed in 1848.
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And the last French MONARCH was Emperor Napoleon III
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:49 PM
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The Duchess of Anjou and her children pictured in Madrid on May 28:



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Louis XX ? What a grotesque claim. Amongst his first 64 forefathers only the line of his grandmother Emmanuelle de Dampierre has anything to do with France. And that claims to be -ignoring every legal loophole- to be the rightful King of France... Make my day...

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The Duchess of Anjou (with the Duke and Duchess of Castro) at the 10th International Monte-Carlo Jumping in Monaco yesterday, June 27.



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The Duchess of Anjou and her daughter attended the Atelier Versace show as part of Paris Fashion Week Haute Couture Fall/Winter 2015/2016 on July 5:



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The Duke and Duchess of Anjou with their children at the annual Polo summer tournament in Sotogrande, Spain, last weekend:



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Old 08-21-2015, 04:20 AM
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Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez Bordiú is often referred as ainé des capétiens (the most senior male of the Capetian dynasty). In a reaction on an article in Figaro Magazine, Prince Henri d'Orléans made a comment also referring to the seniority of the various branches of the dynasty:

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Moreover there is a fiction, which appeared in 1987, that there is a sort of hierarchy between the capétiens. If we accept this fiction, then we must assume it in all it's reality: the most senior branch of the capétiens exists: it is French and not Spanish. It is the branch of Bourbon-Busset. Some dismiss them on grounds that the marriage of Louis de Bourbon, Prince-Bishop of Lìège at the time was not recognized by King Louis XI. This branch of the capétiens has firmly rooted. Honesty would dictate that when we dig further into the Capetian legitimacy of the Spanish Bourbons, history tells us that since the reign of the Queens Maria-Luisa and Isabel, the Capetian blood no longer flows in the veins of their successors, except those of King Juan Carlos through the marriage of his father with Doña María de las Mercedes (de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Orléans). This does not matter anyway because in Spain, since the "Pragmatic Sanction" of King Carlos VII of Spain, the "Salic Law" has been repealed: females can transmit the reign and the dynastic torch. All this still is not the case in France and in the Royal House of France.
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The marriage of Louis de Bourbon, Prince-Bishop of Liège in 1464 with Cathérine of Guelders was legitimate for Church. However it was kept secret so it never obtained formal approval of King Louis XI. It is the most senior existing male-line branch of the capétiens.

Therefore the most senior Bourbon is not Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez Bordiú but Charles de Bourbon, Comte de Busset, (see picture) who was Mayor of Ballancourt-sur-Essonne and lives there, at the Château du Saussay (see picture) and also owns the Château de Busset (see picture), now leased to be used as a luxe resort. Via inheritiance in 1984 his family's Château de Lignières (see picture) came into the hands of the princely family de Bourbon de Parme.
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Old 08-21-2015, 04:35 AM
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Therefore the most senior Bourbon is not Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez Bordiú but Charles de Bourbon, Comte de Busset, (see picture) who was Mayor of Ballancourt-sur-Essonne and lives there, at the Château du Saussay (see picture) and also owns the Château de Busset (see picture), now leased to be used as a luxe resort. Via inheritiance in 1984 his family's Château de Lignières (see picture) came into the hands of the princely family de Bourbon de Parme.
The castle passed to Parma via the present duke's grandmother Madeleine de Bourbon-Busset of Lignières.
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The castle passed to Parma via the present duke's grandmother Madeleine de Bourbon-Busset of Lignières.
Correct. Sadly not to the head of the House (her eldest son) because of the family feud, but that takes this thread out of topic. Anyway, Henri d'Orléans has a valid point that when Luis Alfonso claims to be the most senior Bourbon overall, he forgets the Bourbon-Busset branch.

One can claim: 'they are not dynastical, not in line for a throne'. But Luis Alfonso, his father and his grandfather were not in line for a throne either...
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Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez Bordiú is often referred as ainé des capétiens (the most senior male of the Capetian dynasty). In a reaction on an article in Figaro Magazine, Prince Henri d'Orléans made a comment also referring to the seniority of the various branches of the dynasty:

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Moreover there is a fiction, which appeared in 1987, that there is a sort of hierarchy between the capétiens. If we accept this fiction, then we must assume it in all it's reality: the most senior branch of the capétiens exists: it is French and not Spanish. It is the branch of Bourbon-Busset. Some dismiss them on grounds that the marriage of Louis de Bourbon, Prince-Bishop of Lìège at the time was not recognized by King Louis XI. This branch of the capétiens has firmly rooted. Honesty would dictate that when we dig further into the Capetian legitimacy of the Spanish Bourbons, history tells us that since the reign of the Queens Maria-Luisa and Isabel, the Capetian blood no longer flows in the veins of their successors, except those of King Juan Carlos through the marriage of his father with Doña María de las Mercedes (de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y Orléans). This does not matter anyway because in Spain, since the "Pragmatic Sanction" of King Carlos VII of Spain, the "Salic Law" has been repealed: females can transmit the reign and the dynastic torch. All this still is not the case in France and in the Royal House of France.
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The marriage of Louis de Bourbon, Prince-Bishop of Liège in 1464 with Cathérine of Guelders was legitimate for Church. However it was kept secret so it never obtained formal approval of King Louis XI. It is the most senior existing male-line branch of the capétiens.

Therefore the most senior Bourbon is not Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Martínez Bordiú but Charles de Bourbon, Comte de Busset, (see picture) who was Mayor of Ballancourt-sur-Essonne and lives there, at the Château du Saussay (see picture) and also owns the Château de Busset (see picture), now leased to be used as a luxe resort. Via inheritiance in 1984 his family's Château de Lignières (see picture) came into the hands of the princely family de Bourbon de Parme.

Aren't the sources a bit unsure if Louis de Bourbon's son was born in his marriage to Cathereine of Guelders or by a mistress? Anyway I find it interesting that Henri dares to point at the elephant in the room that is the legitimacy of Queen Maria-Louisa & Queen Isabella's children.

Is the article in Le Figaro that Henri is referring to that one on the "kings without a throne" that someone linked to somewhere on this site a few months ago?


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Old 08-21-2015, 01:57 PM
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I think that paternity can be doubted but maternity not so. It is reported that Cathérine d'Egmont gave birth to three sons from her secret relationship to Louis de Bourbon, Prince-Bishop of Liège. That secret relationship also was the reason why Catherine, daughter of a Duke and from a most prestigious family remained unmarried.

The three sons of Catherine were:

Pierre de Bourbon, bâtard de Bourbon, known as le grand bâtard de Liège
He became Chamberlain of Louis XII and marrried Marguerite de Tourzel d'Alègre, Dame de Busset, heiress to the Barony of Busset. The Bourbon-Bussets come from this union, until present day.

Louis de Bourbon - died in infancy

Jacques de Bourbon - became a Jesuit
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I wish — a bit late — a happy Saint Louis to the Duke of Anjou!

@ Duc_et_Pair, the mother of the Bourbon-Busset sons is an unknown mistress, and there was never any marriage as, though their father had been given a delay to receive orders, he was already elected prince-bishop of Liège.
Only novelists centuries later invented a secret marriage, and later, that this imaginary secret wife was Catherine of Egmont — who, by the way, had never been to Liège when the children were born.
That some orleanists make an argument of such invented slanders, give an idea of the seriousness of their conceptions.
And, as to the faithfulness or not of the wives, it is a wise principle in French monarchy that those who are dynast princes are the children of the queen, however sadly she may be defamed. Unfortunately this is not the case in Spain, where Isabella (the Catholic) opened, by her trial to get rid of an elder cousin, the grieving court habit of calumniating queens in order to weaken the king and his succession; this particularly occured when monarchy was weak, that is, during Charles IV and Isabella II's reigns.
Nothing such in France, where the neglected wife of a dynast prince could remind him that without him, she could have dynast princes, while without her, he could have only bastards.
And when Queen Marie-Antoinette was so loudly vilified, and lovers attributed to her, nobody questioned the right of her sons to become king of France and Monsieur... simply because the Queen's faithfulness had nothing to do with it.
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