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Old 05-11-2012, 04:11 PM
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Louis Bourbon and Maria Margarita Vargas attend the funeral of Duchess Emanuela de Dampierre at the Val de Grace church in Paris Paris, France.

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The funeral of the Dowager Duchess of Anjou and Segovia:

Emmanuelle de Dampierre, duchesse douairière de Ségovie et d'Anjou, morte le 3 mai 2012 à Rome,

Obsèques d'Emmanuelle de Dampierre : Le deuil de Louis de Bourbon et des siens

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It was very nice to see the presence of Prince Jean D'Orleans (Duke of Vendome), of Princesses Philomene and Antoniette D'Orleans at this important moment of the life of Prince Louis de Bourbon.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:02 AM
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I agree with you Cory and very nice seeing around the coffin of the late Duchess , Carmen and Archduchess Constanza. Was Cynthia there also ?
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Carmen Martinez Bordiu y Franco came alone if I noticed well.
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:16 AM
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Were their any members of the various European Royal Houses present?
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Nice to see Jean and Philomena there !
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The presence of Prince Charles-Emanuel of Bourbon-Parma is a new proff of the close links of his branch with the main branch of the Bourbons.
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:57 PM
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Prince Charles-Emmanuel is well known to be a supporter of Luis-Alfonso and his claims, and his presence at the funeral - in my humble opinion - is only a proof of his personal close links to Luis-Alfonso, and not a proof of the links of the whole Bourbon-Parma Family to Luis-Alfonso; in the very same way that the presence of the Duke and Duchess of Vendome and of Archduchess Constanza of Austria isn't a proof of any link between Luis-Alfonso and, respectively, the Houses of Orléans and of Habsburg.
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Cynthia Rossi wasn't here. But she has no link with Emmanuelle de Dampierre. She's the half-sister of SAR the prince Louis by his mother.
At the cemetery of Passy, were present the archduchess Constanza of Austria, the baronne of Alacuas, Charles-Emmanuel de Bourbon-Parme, Carmen Martinez Bordiu y Franco and two other people but I don't know their name.
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I believe that Archduchess Constanza was engaged to Emanuella's son, but he died in a skiing accident before the marriage took place.
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Why do they refer to her as Duchess of Segovia since she was divorced from the duke and remarried to another man? It would seem from her authorized biography that she was a rather bitter woman, estranged from several members of her family but most especially from her son Gonzagos children.
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You just opened up an enormous can of worms, . Many say that she had no right to use it as she divorced Infante Jaime, others say that she can not use it since the title is not official (king Alfonso XIII was in excile when he gave his son the title, it has never been made legal by the Spanish RF).

Others say that since according to canonic law she was still married to infante Jaime, she still was duchess of Segovia, dispite the (civil) divorce.

The Spanish court doesn't use any titles for her, and neither for her grandson. I guess that they will refer to him as duke of Franco when he eventually inherits the title.
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Because the canonical marriage of the Duke of Segovia with Emanuelle de dampiere was valid she could use the title until her death.
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So according to the church her legal second marriage was not an issue and did not exist? How odd. Does that mean the church thought she lived in sin for a number of years with her second husband?
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I do not know if she ever married religiously Mr.Sozzani .
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She and Sozzani couldn't marry religiously, as her first marriage to Jaime has never been declared null by the Roman Rota; and when Jaime died - and she, as a widow, could re-marry religiously - she and Sozzani were already living separately. Thus it's extremely unlikely they ever had a religious marriage.

However, what I wonder is: if Emanuela considered herself the wife and later widow of Jaime and thus the Duchess of Segovia, why did she apply for divorce from Jaime in 1947 in Romania and for getting the divorced recognized also in Italy and Austria? And again, if she considered herself the wife of Jaime, why did she remarry - even if only civilly, but still it was a marriage - to another man soon after getting the divorce?
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I doubt if she considered herself his widow, if I recall correctly from her authorized biography that marriage was pretty much an arrangement and she did not like him very much.
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It was an arrangement: King Alfonso XIII was fed up with his son's life as a philanderer, and managed to find him a wife hoping that Jaime calmed down; and he looked for an unequal wife, to be sure that their issue couldn't make any claim to the Spanish throne (in case that the validity of Jaime's renounciation was questioned). So the King and Donna Vittoria Ruspoli, Emanuela's mother, arranged the (unequal) wedding between their children. As Emanuela later recalled, it was during a dinner that her mother told her that she had arranged the marriage to Jaime.
The marriage turned soon out to be a failure, and Jaime continued to philander, even receiving his mistresses at home.
After some years, and after the death of the King, Jaime and Emanuela divorced and both them remarried to other persons; and after the divorce, Emanuela stopped calling herself the Duchess of Segovia. It was only after that Jaime and his second wife both died that she started using the title again.
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Luis Alfonso de Borbón with is wife Margarita and their children attended an International Show Jumping Competition in Madrid:



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** hola: Luis Alfonso de Borbón y Margarita Vargas recuperan la sonrisa gracias a sus hijos ** translation **
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