King Louis XVI (1754-1793) and Queen Marie Antoinette (1755-1793) - Page 2

Alicky · #21 08-20-2005, 08:21 AM

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According to Olivier Bernier, expert on 18th century France, Maria Antonia (as she was then known) shared her mother's bedroom for a few weeks before her departure for tutelage and a mother's guidance. For the 18th century, that was a more caring mother than most, but then again, Maria Theresa still had much to learn!!

Yeah, I heard that growing up, the large family had a pretty down-to-earth homey relationship with each other, aside from Emperor Francis' shameless philandering lol, but one can't deny Maria's ruthlessness which resulted in misery for her children. Her children were her "political sacrifices." But in her defence she was by far not the only monarch practicing these strategies.

LOL, do you remember what Crown Prince Joseph said about Josepha of Bavaria?

Mapple · #22 08-20-2005, 09:13 AM

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Does anyone remember the smallpox episode with one of Maria Antonia's older sisters, before Maria was married? I might be mixing things up, let me see if I can find something online really quick.

Do you mean Maria Theresa sending her daughter to pray among the corpses of Habsburgs?

Alicky · #23 08-20-2005, 09:20 AM

Yes! That's it exactly.

Alicky · #24 08-20-2005, 09:23 AM

Was Maria Josepha the daughter? And also the name of Joseph's wife that had died?

Mapple · #25 08-20-2005, 09:38 AM

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Was Maria Josepha the daughter? And also the name of Joseph's wife that had died?

Yes, that's true. Maria Josepha of Bavaria was Crown Prince Joseph's wife, who died of smallpox. Maria Theresa sent her daughter of the same name, who was set to go to the Kingdom of Two Sicilies (Maria Josepha was engaged to King Ferdinand), to pray in the Imperial Vault before leaving Vienna. And Habsburgs had a macabre penchant for burying their family members in open coffins then...

Alicky · #26 08-20-2005, 09:56 AM

I guess they were trying to economize lol.

Mapple · #27 08-20-2005, 10:13 AM

Maria Carolina (the third sister to be betrothed to King Ferdinand) flatly refused to go to the Imperial Vault, and the Empress, having criticised the lack of piety in the young generation, went there to pray herself... As it was usual for Maria Theresa.

Alicky · #28 08-20-2005, 10:18 AM

Did she have smallpox before resulting in a physiological resistance to it? Or was she just plain lucky?

Mapple · #29 08-20-2005, 10:21 AM

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Did she have smallpox before resulting in a physiological resistance to it? Or was she just plain lucky?

She already had had smallpox, if I remember correctly.

tiaraprin · #30 08-21-2005, 02:13 AM

Marie Antoinette

http://womenshistory.about.com/libra...antoinette.htm

Harry's polo shirt · #31 08-22-2005, 12:06 AM

What is this I can't read it http://home-3.worldonline.nl/~cniest...ntoinette1.jpg

tiaraprin · #32 08-22-2005, 12:23 AM

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What is this I can't read it http://home-3.worldonline.nl/~cniest...ntoinette1.jpg

Although this is Danish and not German, and I don't know German too well, it seems some of Marie Antoinette's jewelry was stolen on the night of June 13 in West London.

Harry's polo shirt · #33 08-22-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tiaraprin

Although this is Danish and not German, and I don't know German too well, it seems some of Marie Antoinette's jewelry was stolen on the night of June 13 in West London.

thanks, I only know english:o

Here is something else I found.
You have to scroll down a bit--past her background.
http://www.soupsong.com/zjul04.html --VERMICELLI SOUP: The Last Meal of Queen Marie Antoinette Before Her Execution. I looked for other sites to make sure that it is accurate and they sent me back to this one. So I guess it is.

semisquare · #34 08-22-2005, 03:57 PM

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care for her hemorrhages.

what are the hemorrhages spoked of in the article? i have read that that her hair change from blond to white and that she age so much that she look like a women in her 60's not in her 30's.
does anyone believe she was misunderstood or that she just didnt care about her subjects and her duties?

semisquare · #35 08-22-2005, 04:06 PM

i just found this on a web site that quotes famous people its call
http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/dying2.html
here is maria's quote
Farewell, my children, forever. I go to your Father.
Executed by guillotine.
Monsieur, I beg your pardon.
Spoken to the executioner, after she stepped on his foot.
~~ Marie Antoinette, Queen of France, d. October 16, 1793

You are going to hurt me, please don't hurt me, just one more moment, I beg you!
Guillotined.
~~ Madame du Barry, mistress of Louis XV, d. 1793
isn't that one of the sadest thing u have read?

Alicky · #36 08-22-2005, 04:20 PM

I don't remember which said it, but during the Revolution when an aristocrat was being taken away to prison to await his execution, he said: "Make sure that after you cut my head off that you hold it up long enough for the crowd to see. It's worth looking at."

Harry's polo shirt · #37 08-22-2005, 09:01 PM

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I don't remember which said it, but during the Revolution when an aristocrat was being taken away to prison to await his execution, he said: "Make sure that after you cut my head off that you hold it up long enough for the crowd to see. It's worth looking at."

That is so sad, but so funny!

tiaraprin · #38 08-23-2005, 12:00 AM

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does anyone believe she was misunderstood or that she just didnt care about her subjects and her duties?

IMHO, I don't think Marie Antoinette ever understood her position and what it meant. She went from a very informal court at Vienna to being constantly on show in Versailles. No one really trained or guided Marie Antoinette (Just like Diana and Fergie). She was a girl of 14 years of age and ends up in the most debauched and glittering court in France. It turned her head. She became frivolous and the adulation and riches of the world were at her feet. She didn't realize that she had to pay a price for the priviledge such as the duties that royal protocol demanded of her.

I also don't think she ever committed herself to becoming a Frenchwoman. She always remained an Austrian in her eyes and everything was always compared to the Austrian way. She never fathomed that half the court hated her because they were anti-Austrian due to generations of enmity that was between Austria and France before the peace treaty and her marriage. If she had made the effort to become truly French, she might have had more success.

Alicky · #39 08-23-2005, 07:31 AM

Even as a child Maria Antonia was frivolous and unfocused. Had she not been Queen of France, she still would have had the same character I'm sure, unless she married in Austria possibly enabling her disdaining mother to reel her in a bit. But either way, I don't think she pondered many deep thoughts.

:p