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Old 05-21-2016, 05:26 AM
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Am I the only one to find that ridiculous....
Why is that ridiculous? The Comte de Paris leaves the line of succession intact from most senior legitimate male agnate to the next most senior legitimate male agnate in the Famille de France. He is no King, there is no Parliament, there is no royal Constitution in force. The Comte de Paris respects the existing set of rules and sees his eldest son Prince François, Comte de Clermont as the rightful Dauphin.

Prince François sadly is not capable to act as the Head of the Maison de France and therefore his eldest brother Prince Jean is appointed as Régent du Dauphin. Prince Jean will be assisted by a Board of Guardians. It is a very elegant solution wit full respect to the undeniable royal birthright of Prince François, the eldest son of Henri d'Orléans and of Maria Theresia von Württemberg.

My esteem and admiration for Prince Henri has only grown. Instead of shoving aside, of neglecting, of hiding his mentally disabled son, he keeps his rights and his position intact. I like that very, very much. Vive le Prince!
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:35 AM
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I gather rominet might be surprised by terms as "counsil of state" and "regent" since the maison de France is not a reigning one.
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Old 05-21-2016, 05:53 AM
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Oh in that way. I think it is only logical that a regent is appointed and helped (controlled) by a council to take care of the interests of Prince François. How often have we not heard or read about "guardians" or "custodians" who sucked the person in their care into a total bankruptcy while filling their own bank accounts? So on his turn Prince Jean is controlled, how he manages the interests of his brother and of the House. A wise decision.

In Romania -another defunct monarchy- there is also such a council, even with Archduke Lorenz of Austria-Este, Prince of Belgium having a seat in it... Apparently that Council backed the transfer of royal duties to Princess Margareta, the current "curator of the throne" and the exit of Nicholas Medforth-Mills, so it seems not unique to have a council.
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Old 05-21-2016, 04:30 PM
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It is understandable that Count of Paris wants to follow the usual succession line. Prince Jean's children are going to continue the blood line. I highly doubt that Prince Jean will misappropriate Prince Francois' inheritance and leave him penniless.
I too find the council a bit odd.
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Princess Chantal with her husband Baron Francois Xavier de Sanbucy de Sorgues attended a reception for the 'King of Belgians Day' at the Belgium Ambassy in Paris yesterday, November 15:


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Henri, Count of Paris, was unhappy to see Louis Alphonse, Duke of Anjou, making a public appearance in the Reims Cathedral and giving a short speech there.

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Prince Henri raised some valid points and also produced nonsenses. He can not blame Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón for using titles of pretension while he himself uses the fantasy titles Comte de Paris and Duc de France...

He should stick to the title which is undoubtedly his: Duc d'Orléans, an ancient and proud title.
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"The pretender to the throne of France, Henri d’Orléans, Count of Paris, Duke of France, has previously said in several interviews that he would not support any candidates for the French presidential election. Now, he has changed his opinion and stands behind the Republicans (or Les Républicains) candidate, François Fillon. This came to light after he posted a tweet on his personal Twitter profile."


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The choice of Fillon is an obvious one. That is the candidate with the deepest roots in La France Profonde. Fillon's core base are the conservatives, the catholics, the gaullists and the overwhelming majority of the royalists can be found in that electoral base.

His son Prince Jean maybe is more leaning towards Macron: an open, modern, outward-looking France with a positive vibe towards Europe.

That said, there are aristocrats supporting Le Pen. One of the most important figures in the Front National is Wallerand de Saint-Just.
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The choice of Fillon is an obvious one. That is the candidate with the deepest roots in La France Profonde. Fillon's core base are the conservatives, the catholics, the gaullists and the overwhelming majority of the royalists can be found in that electoral base.

His son Prince Jean maybe is more leaning towards Macron: an open, modern, outward-looking France with a positive vibe towards Europe.

That said, there are aristocrats supporting Le Pen. One of the most important figures in the Front National is Wallerand de Saint-Just.
The royal family should not support any candidate.
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The royal family should not support any candidate.
The last Bourbon King ended his Reign almost 170 years ago. Any restoration is a fata morgana. Henri d'Orléans is a citizen of the Republic. He served in the armed forces of the Republic. He cooperated with the authorities of the Republic. He is subjected to the law, he pays taxes, the democracy in France is also his democracy. The choice for a centrist candidate is a pretty obvious one. No one will fall over it.
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The Comte de Paris did nothing for his 2 handicaped Children.
Their Mother SAR Madame la Duchesse Montpensier took care of them and also ther Grandmoter the late Madame la Comtesse de Paris.
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The Comte de Paris did nothing for his 2 handicaped Children.
Their Mother SAR Madame la Duchesse Montpensier took care of them and also ther Grandmoter the late Madame la Comtesse de Paris.
That is pure gossip. Both Prince Francois and Princess Blanche were born more than 55 years ago, a total different era, with severe mental handicaps. The parents have never hidden these two, on the contrary: at family gatherings the two are surrounded with love and compassion by the whole family.

The parents have placed the two in institutions in Switzerland and France, where they receive the best care possible. More than 55 years ago society had a completely different idea about the roles of husband and wife in a marriage. The mother stayed home and cared for the children. The father usually was responsible for the family income and had the role of a Pater Familias. That was common in the whole of Europe.

That the mother of Prince Francois and Princess Blanche was more visible did fit exactly in the framework she wanted to portray: the poor Princess, so hit with malheur de vie, doing her best for her two precious angels. That was exactly the role everyone expected from a mother and Princess Marie-Thérèse did her best. To draw the conclusion that Prince Henri "did nothing" is for your account. He was the responsible parent for the two until they were 21 years old. They have had the best care, so Prince Henri did also what was expected from a father back then in 1962 or so.
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Their Wedding ended after 15 years !
Henri d' Orleans Sun left his family and had an Artist life such as creating an Orléans Parfum ! His Father gave him the tittle of Comte de Mortain.
His Daughter Marie did not want her Father be Present at her Wedding with Prince G. of Liechtenstein. This Wedding first planned in Dreux took place in Wurtenberg.
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Marie's wedding was a total mess.

Her father was invited. He was at the engagement party. He gave an interview he was happy to talk to her after three years, and attend. That was until he found out he was not to give her away.

Marie's mother seemed to be playing some kind of game. Not only did she leave Henri off the invitation, but she left his father off. Henri Sr had been her biggest supporter after the marriage failed. Because of the issues, Marie chose to be married at the castle of her double aunt and uncle (the Duke was her mothers brother and duchess her father's younger sister). To appease her grandfather, she had a civil wedding in France but it didn't work. Only six guests attended. He called the family to boycot her wedding, due to the invitation, and not being in France. Traditionally a French princess married in France unless her husband was a sovereign or heir which Gundekar wasn't. 250 went to the religious but the boycot was still evident. Her brother Jean (he attended both ceremonies), her mother, her grandmother The countess of Paris, and two of her father's siblings attended. One if them being of course her aunt who hosted the wedding.
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"The pretender to the throne of France, Henri d’Orléans, Count of Paris, Duke of France, has previously said in several interviews that he would not support any candidates for the French presidential election. Now, he has changed his opinion and stands behind the Republicans (or Les Républicains) candidate, François Fillon. This came to light after he posted a tweet on his personal Twitter profile." ... [snipped]]
I am surprised with Henri's, Count of Paris, decision to publicly take sides in the 2017 Presidential campaign. I too hope Mr Fillion wins. He is said to be pragmatic.
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It makes sense for him to vote for Fillon, Le Pen is too primitive. Imo Fillon won't make it though, but I'm no psychic.
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Count de Paris Sr offered Princess Marie's Wedding Dress and the Religious Wedding of this new Generation should have been in Dreux like all the Orléans princesses before.

I never understood this "volte face" to Wurtenberg and Marie wearing a loan Wurtenberg tiara instead of an Orleans tiara as did later her Cousines Evreux..

I was told at that time that Marie did not want her Father be present and that she wanted the same wedding as her Cousine Mathilde before.
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Their Wedding ended after 15 years ![...]
That is not too bad, 15 years for an arranged marriage with two total different stubborn characters. There have been plenty of royal weddings "out of love" breaking up sooner than 15 years...
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