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Old 06-07-2006, 04:43 AM
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Oh, he wanted the throne all right. But the throne of an absolutist King modelled on the ancien regime.
The Comte de Chambord was one of those Bourbons "who never learned".
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Old 06-07-2006, 05:57 AM
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The teacher of this French royal successor was the daughter of the Louis XVI and Maria-Antoinette as Henry V has early remained without parents. It has played the certain role in outlook of last representative of the French royal dynasty?
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:08 AM
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Ten French kings have held the name Charles through the history of France being an monarchy I can't remember their periods of reign but I know that were ten kings with that name.
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Old 01-01-2007, 04:33 PM
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Ten French kings have held the name Charles through the history of France being an monarchy I can't remember their periods of reign but I know that were ten kings with that name.
That's right, there were 10 French kings, named Charles.

Charles I (Charles the Bald - king from 843 to 877), the founder of Carolingian dynasty
Charles II (Charles the Fat - king from 885 to 888), also from the Carolingian dynasty
Charles III (Charles the Simple - king from 898 to 922), another king from Carolingian dynasty
Charles IV (king from 1322 to 1328), the last King of the Capetian Dynasty
Charles V (king from 1364 to 1380), King from the Dynasty of Valois
Charles VI (king from 1380 to 1422), from the Dynasty of Valois
Charles VII (king from 1422 to 1461), also from the House of Valois
Charles VIII (king from 1483 to 1498), King from the House of Valois
Charles IX (king from 1560 to 1574) from the House of Valois (Valois-Angouleme branch)
Charles X (King from 1824 to 1830) - from the restored Bourbon dynasty.
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Old 01-01-2007, 10:21 PM
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That's amazing how four of the ten Kings' Of France named Charles succeeded one after another most the time the successor has a totally different name from the predsuccessor. The French royals bring rich history and tales of the monarchy and domain.
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Old 01-01-2007, 11:03 PM
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That's amazing how four of the ten Kings' Of France named Charles succeeded one after another.
By my count there are three: Charles V, VI and VII.
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Okay their three and I am not perfect but they succeeded one after other.
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That's right, there were 10 French kings, named Charles.

Charles I (Charles the Bald - king from 843 to 877), the founder of Carolingian dynasty
Charles II (Charles the Fat - king from 885 to 888), also from the Carolingian dynasty
Charles III (Charles the Simple - king from 898 to 922), another king from Carolingian dynasty
Charles IV (king from 1322 to 1328), the last King of the Capetian Dynasty
Charles V (king from 1364 to 1380), King from the Dynasty of Valois
Charles VI (king from 1380 to 1422), from the Dynasty of Valois
Charles VII (king from 1422 to 1461), also from the House of Valois
Charles VIII (king from 1483 to 1498), King from the House of Valois
Charles IX (king from 1560 to 1574) from the House of Valois (Valois-Angouleme branch)
Charles X (King from 1824 to 1830) - from the restored Bourbon dynasty.

This has always caused me confusion. Charlemagne (Charles The Great) as King of the Franks is always counted as a "King of France" in many of the books I have. Therefore there were 11 kings by the name Charles if you count Charlemagne. The Kingdom of the Franks composed what is now modern France and parts of modern Germany and the low countries. If the kings of France are counted from the treaty of Verdun in 843 which broke up the Carolingian empire then yes, there were only 10 kings named Charles (we'd also have to exclude Louis I in that scenario..causing further discrepancies). What really causes me confusion: Is the Kingdom of the Franks a separate entity (or kingdom) from what later evolved into the modern Kingdom of France, or is it the ancient Kingdom of the Franks the same as the Kingdom of France? I'm confused and I have a degree in European history!!
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Charles I (Charles the Bald - king from 843 to 877), the founder of Carolingian dynasty
Charles II (Charles the Fat - king from 885 to 888), also from the Carolingian dynasty
Charles III (Charles the Simple - king from 898 to 922), another king from Carolingian dynasty
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Sorry, but that's not correct.
In France Carlemagne is also called Charles I. le Grand (Charles I. the Great/Karl I. der Große - king of the Franks from 768 to 814, 800 roman emperor)
Charles II. le Chauve (Charles II. the Bald/Karl II. der Kahle - king of West Francia from 843 to 877, roman emperor 875)
As king of East and West Francia Charles (III.) le Gros (Charles the Fat/Karl der Dicke - king from 876 to 888, roman emperor 881) has no number. But as roman emperor he was the third ruler who was called Charles.
Charles III. le Simple (Karl III. the Simple/Karl III. der Einfältige - king of West Francia from 893 to 929)
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I hope you can read my english. This is not correct, I know.
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Hi & welcome Karl. Thanks for your post. Why doesn't Charles the Fat/Karl der Dicke - king from 876 to 888, roman emperor 881 have a number if he is recognized as a king in both the east and west Frankish kingdom? I think Charles The Simple should have been called Charles IV, other wise the numbering of the names of Charles for the kingdom of France doesn't make sense or add up.
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Charles the Fat was an eastfrankish Carolingian. The numbering of all eastfrankish Carolingians is very complicated.
see there:List of German monarchs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Charles the Fat was the second King of his name who ruled the Eastern Francia Kingdom, after his great-grandfather Charles the Great. But in our Lists sometimes he is called "the third" (as roman emperor).

In Western Francia Kingdom Charles the Fat he has no number although he ruled this Kingdom from 884 to 888. Because just westfrankish-Carolingians they got a number.
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Old 07-30-2007, 12:36 PM
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I have found in other monarchies the numbering system is not fool-proof, mistakes were made and there have been many.

One way I look at it is that the practice of giving monarchs a roman numeral was a tradition that came about many years later and often medieval kings were more known by their sobriquet than the number that was given them. Also many states such as France and Germany share a common history as the concept of nation-state changed and evolved in Europe over a considerable period of time.

For example Louis I "the Pious" (814-840) was a King of the Franks. Yet many centuries later Louis XIV (1643-1715) as a King of France was numbered as being from the same kingdom as Louis I. But the truth is Louis I's realm and the later evolved modern kingdom of France were so different that it is difficult to see both entities as being the same state. After the treaty of Verdun each section of the kingdom of the Franks developed and evolved separately taking different courses. The Western Frankish kingdom evolved into the modern Kingdom and state of France while the Eastern Kingdom evolved into what became known as the Holy Roman Empire.

Charles III "the Simple" died in 922 and was the last Western Frankish king by the name of Charles until 1322 when Charles IV came to the throne of France. Since it had been 400 years since the last Charles it is possible to see how mistakes could be made. In my opinion he should have been called Charles V of France. But as I said in the beginning other kingdoms made the same mistake.

I think I wrote this all out to answer my own questions for my own benefit to get this all straight in my head. :)
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Are there any pics that we can confirm are of Margaret of Provence, Queen consort to Louis IX, the Saint-king?
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Are there any pics that we can confirm are of Margaret of Provence, Queen consort to Louis IX, the Saint-king?
Margaret (Marguerite) had her own seal :

http://www.corpusetampois.com/cae-13...rite-sceau.gif

But like her husband, portraits realised when she was alive are not known...
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What a charming lady... Jean Fish was .......well brought up, trained in singing and the arts.
She became the Mistress of Louis 15th in 1745.
Alas.... the King must have been easily bored as they only
remained lovers for 5 short years.
Perhaps the King was easily bored ? perhaps there were
too many ravishing young females on offer and Jean Fish just could nt compete with their charms ?
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Jean Fish= Jeanne Poisson ?
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:40 PM
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Im not well up on French , but last time I looked
poisson is French for fish

poisson
nm fish gen inv
Je n'aime pas le poisson. I don't like fish.
André a pêché deux poissons. André caught two fish.
prendre du poisson, prendre des poissons to catch fish
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The de Medici family ruled Florence, Italy from the 15th century to 1737. Although they were of obscure origin, they gained immense wealth as merchants and bankers. They became affiliated through marriage to all the major houses of Europe and produced three popes (Leo X, Clement VII, and Leo XI) and two queens of France (Catherine de Medici and Marie de Medici). Through their patronage they helped make Florence a great center of European culture.

Catherine de Medici (1519-89) was the daughter of Lorenzo de' Medici, duke of Urbino. Both her parents died when she was in her infancy. She was the grandchild of Lorenzo the Magnificent. When she was 14 years old in 1533 she married the duc d' Orleans, later King Henry II of France. Three of her sons became kings of France (Francis II, Henry III, Charles IX). At first conciliatory toward the Protestant Huguenots, she later opposed them, calling for the execution of their leaders. She is sometimes blamed for the massacre on St. Batholomew's Day (1572), but it's unlikely she would have authorized any random killing. She has been called a Machiavellian politician.

Childless for the first ten years of marriage to Henry II, she was unpopular in the French court. With the help of astrologers she overcame her infertility and gave birth to ten children, beginning in 1543. She was patroness of the seer Nostradamus and a lifelong believer in astrology and the occult. She remained politically active until the end of her life. She toured France gaining the loyalty of its fractured and war-torn provinces. She amassed a huge collection of books and paintings, and built or enlarged some of Paris's finest buildings, including theTuileries Palace.
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Wow,another Catherine de Medici fan,I'm totally fascinated by this brilliant woman,who was villified beyond reason

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Margaret (Marguerite) had her own seal. But like her husband, portraits realised when she was alive are not known...
Her tomb & that of Saint Louis were destroyed during the 100 yrs War,shame that one of the greatest Kings of France has no memorial at Saint Denis
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