France and Monarchy

[Russian]

Excuse me, but I have a question.
What chances of restoration of a monarchy in France in XXI century? When its lawful King and successor Henry IV, Louis XIV, Louis XV, Louis XVI, Louis XVII, Louis XVIII, Charles X and Henry V from Dynasty Bourbons will return to France?

I wish to tell that I LEGITIMIST and the supporter of Legality and Validity

 

[Sancia]

There are very few chances that France goes back to royalty...

 

[norwegianne]

I agree, Danielane. I doubt that France will return to a monarchic form of government. I suspect that Spain was the last country to return to a monarchy.

 

[Sancia]

I'd like to add there's a major probleme for the monarchy to be back in France: most of the monarchists are linked with severe or extrem right ideas, while they claim monarchy should be above parties. That doesn't help to explain their ideas among the french population.

 

[Furienna]

France hasn't had a monarchy for a long time, and I don't think they will restore it either.

 

[Russian]

I am upset very much with that fact that Le Comte de Chambord has not left any successors. Really with its death such nice dynasty of the French kings has interrupted?

 

[Toledo]

Excuse me, but I have a question.
What chances of restoration of a monarchy in France in XXI century? When its lawful King and successor Henry IV, Louis XIV, Louis XV, Louis XVI, Louis XVII, Louis XVIII, Charles X and Henry V from Dynasty Bourbons will return to France?

I wish to tell that I LEGITIMIST and the supporter of Legality and Validity

I think Grand Duchess Maria and her cousins have better chance in your land that all the Bourbons put together in France. Wow, that sentence even rhymes when you say it fast!
So I'll go by what Danielane says since the coment is made by a resident of France.
Speaking of which, remember our talk someplace else on the Forum on the next elections where the Count of Paris (?) was running for President and the Bonaparte Heir for some local plotical position? Any updates on that?

I'm a monarchist but with some common sense, not everyone in line to be a King is fit to be one. I'm glad we have King Juan Carlos in my country even when the legitimists wanted someone else back then.

 

[Russian]

Toledo
I know sad history Philippe Egalite and his son Louis-Philippe. Therefore I cannot be supporters Orlean of dukes who are lineal descendants of Egalite and his son.

As to Maria Vladimirovna, I cannot consider as its successor of the Russian Imperial Throne. Its grandfather, Grand duke Kirill Vladimirovich has betraid Tsar Nikolas II and has come over to the party of revolution (compare it with Philippe Egalite!!!). The reason of this treachery consists in desire Kirill Vladimirovich to borrow Russian Imperial Throne, not reckoning with successor Alexei suffering by a hemophilia.

Still also Tsar Nikolas has not recognized marriage of this prince with the German princess because of their closely related attitudes (on the father and on mother they were cousins).

The posterity from this marriage HAS BEEN deprived the RIGHT OF SUCCESSION of RUSSIAN THRONE!!!!

 

[Sancia]

There's no update for a political role of a Bonaparte, Orléans or Bourbon. If I hear about one, be sure I'll post it here.

 

[Louis14]

Excuse me, but I have a question.
What chances of restoration of a monarchy in France in XXI century? When its lawful King and successor Henry IV, Louis XIV, Louis XV, Louis XVI, Louis XVII, Louis XVIII, Charles X and Henry V from Dynasty Bourbons will return to France?

I wish to tell that I LEGITIMIST and the supporter of Legality and Validity

The Holy French Monarchy is immortal.
The French legitimists are trustful because we think that the French Republic is leaving its last years. The Holy Capetian Monarchy will soon be restored in France. We are working for it and we think that it's just a question of a few years.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

 

[Louis14]

France hasn't had a monarchy for a long time, and I don't think they will restore it either.

Since Hugues Capet, The Holy Capetian Monarchy reigned in France during more than 800 years. Please, do not confuse with the short reign of the Bonapartes.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

 

[Sancia]

The Holy French Monarchy is immortal.
The French legitimists are trustful because we think that the French Republic is leaving its last years. The Holy Capetian Monarchy will soon be restored in France. We are working for it and we think that it's just a question of a few years.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

Oh my God, we are VERY impressed. Maybe you're working for it, but the main part of french people don't even know who are the pretendants.

 

[Furienna]

Since Hugues Capet, The Holy Capetian Monarchy reigned in France during more than 800 years. Please, do not confuse with the short reign of the Bonapartes.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

Actually, I didn't think about the Bonapartes. I thought about the Capets. But how long ago was it, that France last had a king of that dynasty? Well, I checked. It was 1848. The last Bonaparte emperor, Napoleon III, didn't seem to be allowed to reign until his death either. And since 1870, France have only have presidents or chiefs of goverment as its heads of state.

 

[morhange]

I suspect that Spain was the last country to return to a monarchy.

I don't know about that, Crown Prince Alexandar of Yugoslavia may have a chance sometime in the future, now that Serbia has split from Montenegro.

 

[Louis14]

Oh my God, we are VERY impressed. Maybe you're working for it, but the main part of french people don't even know who are the pretendants.

Louis XX, the elder of all Capetians and the only applicant of the throne of France, is very known in France.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

 

[Louis14]

I'd like to add there's a major probleme for the monarchy to be back in France: most of the monarchists are linked with severe or extrem right ideas, while they claim monarchy should be above parties. That doesn't help to explain their ideas among the french population.

The monarchist current in France is made up of all the currents of thought, which go from the extrem right to the extrem left. For example, Thierry Ardisson, a French TV star, is a monarchist of the left current.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

 

[Sancia]

Louis XX, the elder of all Capetians and the only applicant of the throne of France, is very known in France.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

It's seems you're making a confusion between personal wishes and reality. I'm republican, so are all my friends and knowledges: noone knows Louis Alphonse de Bourbon.

 

[Sancia]

The monarchist current in France is made up of all the currents of thought, which go from the extrem right to the extrem left. For example, Thierry Ardisson, a French TV star, is a monarchist of the left current.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

First point: it's impossible to be from extrem left wing and monarchist (these ideologies merely don't get with each other). It's nearly as impossible to be a left-wing monarchist: I've met only ONE people in this case, and as a left wing activist and local responsible, I think I know the subject.
Secondly: when I'm reading monarchist papers, news, ideas, I see more (extrem) right wings points than left-wing ideas. But that's my personal experience and analyse of everything I can read on Internet about monarchist ideas.

 

[Furienna]

I don't know about that, Crown Prince Alexandar of Yugoslavia may have a chance sometime in the future, now that Serbia has split from Montenegro.

But hasn't Yugoslavia done without a king since before the second world war? There was no king during the time of Tito, and after that, the former union of Yugoslavia started falling into parts like Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. I hardly suspect any re-installment of the monarchy there. It was too long ago, that the monarchy was overthrown. Even if Spain re-installed its monarchy after decades, the serbs have been without a monarchy for a much longer time than what the spanish have. I don't think so. Sorry.

 

[Toledo]

There's no update for a political role of a Bonaparte, Orléans or Bourbon. If I hear about one, be sure I'll post it here.

Thanks Danielane. I'm curious of how things are going with those two royals since I heard they want to be part of the elections. I find it quite amusing because brings back memories of how Napoleon III started in politics over 150 years ago.

 

[Russian]

Dear Louis14!
I am very glad that you work above restoration of a monarchy in France! Accept my best regards in this noble business!

 

[flcty]

From what I am learning in history (revolutions, especially focusing on the american revolution, thomas paine and the french rights of man) I doubt that France will return to a monarchy even to a contitutional monarchy.

 

[princess olga]

Excuse me, but I have a question.
What chances of restoration of a monarchy in France in XXI century?

I'd say as much of a chance as the probability of the restoration of the Tudor family (or what's left of it) to the throne in Britain. Or, as much of a chance as Indonesia begging the Netherlands to take them back as a colony. In other words, None. None whatsoever. Thank goodness.

Of course, I've learned in life to 'never say never', so time will tell and no one can predict the future. But boy do I NOT hope that France will be a monarchy again. It sure seems as if the blue blooded folks in that country are uptight and elitist enough as it is--actually come to think of it, perhaps that is because they have a chip on their shoulder as the country is 'throneless'?! And why oh why of all things to wish in the world would you want the French throne restored? What's in it for you? You don't have a stake in 'Point de Vue' or Voici, now do you?

 

[princess olga]

I'd like to add there's a major probleme for the monarchy to be back in France: most of the monarchists are linked with severe or extrem right ideas, while they claim monarchy should be above parties. That doesn't help to explain their ideas among the french population.

Well in that case they might as well put Brigitte Bardot on the throne: movie 'royalty' if there ever was one, plus these days she's said to be quite conservative in her political leanings..At least she'd be able to use a throne as a platform to help the innocent, battered animals of the world..

 

[Marengo]

I am all in favour of Catherine Deneuve, Princess_Olga, she did a nice try in her latest movie
Brigitte Bardot can be her excentric aunt who talks to the press to often about her niece.
As for the crownprince....maybe Olivier Martinez? If he marries Kylie it will be an other Aussie successtory in royal europe

But seriously, I agree with you, the chances on a restauration in France are extremely small.

 

[Louis14]

But seriously, I agree with you, the chances on a restauration in France are extremely small.

Not later than yesterday, June 20, 2006, the head of the French opposition and the French Prime Minister violently insulted themselves in the French National Assembly!

In spite of the denials of the French Republicans who put France in a great disorder, the French population does not follow them any more. And we are sure that if there was a referendum today in France, for or against the restoration of monarchy, the monarchists would win it. French do not want any more the Republican disorder.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

Not later than yesterday, June 20, 2006, the head of the French opposition and the French Prime Minister violently insulted themselves in the French National Assembly!

In spite of the denials of the French Republicans who put France in a great disorder, the French population does not follow them any more. And we are sure that if there was a referendum today in France, for or against the restoration of monarchy, the monarchists would win it. French do not want any more the Republican disorder.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

Guess they don't want the potential scandals of a Royal family either... As in any family, it's bound to happen that there are black sheep. Who in France wants those "Royals"? Maybe the people of France just want people who know how to behave? Well, in a democracy they are able to give their leaders the notice if they don't behave... Why going back to monarchy then?

Today's Royals are not different from other people except for the past - in a modern country it should count what people make of their life, not what their ancestors did. In Germany, quite some nobles are in politics - if they're serious and convincing, they are accepted by the people and get the influence they deserve. If not, then not. Why change that? To what avail?

 

[Sancia]

Not later than yesterday, June 20, 2006, the head of the French opposition and the French Prime Minister violently insulted themselves in the French National Assembly!

In spite of the denials of the French Republicans who put France in a great disorder, the French population does not follow them any more. And we are sure that if there was a referendum today in France, for or against the restoration of monarchy, the monarchists would win it. French do not want any more the Republican disorder.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

They don't want any disorder, in fact. But I kindly suggest you to pay the SOFRES or the IFOP (for non-French posters: these are institute specialised in public opinions poll) to see whether the french people really want monarchy. I'm impatient you post the results here.

 

[Louis14]

They don't want any disorder, in fact. But I kindly suggest you to pay the SOFRES or the IFOP (for non-French posters: these are institute specialised in public opinions poll) to see whether the french people really want monarchy. I'm impatient you post the results here.

An opinion poll relates to only, in the best case, a sample of a few thousands of people. France is a country of nearly sixty five million inhabitants. Why not to organize a real referendum where all the voters could be expressed? The French Republicans are they afraid of the vote expression?

The French Republicans put such a disorder at the top of the State so much so that nobody knows even who governs France today! Can they tell us if France is always governed? If so, by who? By the President of the Republic? By the Prime Minister? By the head of the governmental majority party? Perhaps by the street?

We think that the Republican institutions are completely worn and that it's time to finish with this Republic which inserts France, our Holy France, in the disorder and the shame of the whole world.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

 

[jeneve_valois]

honestly i think that if france recognized a monarchy it would be cermonial like in the uk just as a figure head and thats after the argument of who gets the title