The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #101  
Old 02-18-2009, 12:35 PM
HRHofNothing's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: somewhere in, Canada
Posts: 208
Never say never- but there are a lot of near impossible things that will take place before the french restore their monrachy. The french people were not well served by their last Bonaparte rulers let alone Marie Antionette and Louis XV?.

A side question on the legitimacy of royal children. All the illegitimate children of kings never held any sucession rights so it does not seem fair that Isabella II's illegitimate son suceeded her on the Portugese throne and his decendents are still soverigns or pretenders today!
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #102  
Old 02-18-2009, 12:42 PM
MAfan's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: N/A, Italy
Posts: 4,346
You mean the Spanish throne...
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 02-18-2009, 01:56 PM
Kotroman's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: -, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posts: 464
Quote:
Originally Posted by HRHofNothing View Post
All the illegitimate children of kings never held any sucession rights so it does not seem fair that Isabella II's illegitimate son suceeded her on the Portugese throne and his decendents are still soverigns or pretenders today!
Who has said that Isabella II's children are not legitimate? She was married and her husband never publicly denounced paternity of her children, so in the eyes of law all children of Isabella II are perfectly legitimate and all of them were entitled to succeed to the Spanish throne.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #104  
Old 02-18-2009, 05:28 PM
HRHofNothing's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: somewhere in, Canada
Posts: 208
But everyone assumed (correctly) that that was not the case. I guess since the Husband did not make a fuss about it...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 02-18-2009, 06:06 PM
Kotroman's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: -, Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posts: 464
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warren View Post
No royal house will allow posthumous DNA testing to determine their own legitimacy.
I'm not an expert, but DNA testing would probably prove nothing since Francis was Isabella II's double first cousin (their fathers were brothers and their mothers were sisters).
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 03-04-2009, 02:31 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mutzig, France
Posts: 101
Nowadays, with ancient corpses, there is virtually no hope of finding chromosomial DNA in order to prove the paternity. Only chromosomial DNA could be found... to prove maternity!
About portuguese throne, illegitimate children did succeed their fathers.
In Spain it is impossible, at the same time saying Isabel II's children were not from her husband is a bit hazardous (there were disputes and reconciliations between them). Legally, they were his children.
In France too, an illegitimate child cannot succeed, however legitimate children are the queen's children. We had the example of a regent queen (Isabeau of Bavaria) who affirmed that her son (Charles VII) was not from her husband (Charles VI) but from her brother-in-law (the duke of Orléans), and there was the intervention of Saint Joan of Arc to help his son be sacred as king...
A "princess of the blood" once (in XVIIIthe century of course) told her husband : "never forget that without you, I can have princes of the blood, while without me, you can only have bastards". Not very nice but a good resume!
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #107  
Old 04-23-2009, 03:43 PM
deCastelneau's Avatar
Newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saint Albans, United States
Posts: 1
Huguenot Angst

Salut,
My name is William Gambill Caumont deCastelneau and I am a direct descendant of the Ducs de La Force from Guyenne France. I have traced my genealogy back to the 1500s. My ancestral grandfather was god-son to King Henri IV (Henri of Navarre). It is my intention to bring attention to the families who lost their titles and lands at the time of the Huguenot Exodus in the 1700s. If anyone has any information that could further the cause, please post. I don't really seek to restore the French Monarchy but I would like to see responsibility taken for the actions that led to our being forced from our homeland. A ceremonial Monarchy could preserve the heritage. Especially if you believe that Kings are ordained by God. I think some are and others have stolen it. For this reason I beleive extensive study should be done to determine any validity to a claimant to the throne. If I were truly convinced of devine influence, which would be difficult to do, then and only then could I consider support. Highly unlikely! I think a stylized form of a monarchy can work such as using the Royals as public servants for humanitarian projects etc. lending their fame and fortune for worthy causes
Merci,
deCastelneau
__________________
Duc de La Force
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 04-26-2009, 05:07 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Mutzig, France
Posts: 101
What I find a nice symbol, too, is that the duke of Anjou, by his father is a descendant of calvinist Jeanne d'Albret, and by his mother of a Bearnese Bourdieu, catholic who fleed religious prosecution by this queen... His grandmother too, has among her ancestors, the Reverends John Knox and John Welch.
DeCastelnau, is there a site with your genealogy? I would be very interested.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 06-13-2009, 04:48 AM
RoyalistRiley's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 502
DeCastelneau, you're right about the benefits of having a monarchy as a symbol of heritage and to lead by example in humanitarain and charity projects.

It's sad that some countries don't even adknowledge their monarchist pasts (eg. Austria, Germany, Russia, France) by recognising titles and restoring some confiscated property...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 06-13-2009, 02:19 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: paris, France
Posts: 55
Royalist Riley,

I do not know much about austria and russia, but concerning germany,most of the ex royal families got to an agreement about their properties very soon after the end of monarchies in 1918.

In the ex western part of the country most of these families still own most of their ancestral properties, (bavaria, Wurtemberg, Bade, Hanover and even cobourg).

In the ex eastern part of germany it is true that the lands and castles confiscated by the communists were not given back, but all the works of arts, jewelry, silver and so on... which were private properties before 1945 have to be given back.
I think the law was passed after the fall of the east in the beginning of the 1990s;

Most of the families have allready reached an agreement with the curators of theses collections in Berlin, Dresden, Schwerin, Gotha... In conpensation for the works of art they agreed to leave in the museum they were given huge sums money and sometimes buildings and lands.
I think the most profitable deal was reached about the saxon works of arts. It concerned around 20 000 objects. A few thousands were actually given back and the others were compensated for the way i just explained.
Concerning Bavaria and Wurtemberg, believe me, the monarchist past is absolutely respected and the heads and members of these families are really considered as "non official" but still very respected "royals".
Members of governement attends their weddings and funeral and so on... And they are invited to official ceremonies. In Bavaria, duke Franz is really considered as a "king without a crown" and he still lives in some parts of schloss Nymphenbourg, (the bavarian Versailles).
The family also uses the main part of the castle for funerals and weddings.
And they even have a kind of court as part of the buildings is used for their offices called "werwaltung des herzog von Bayern".

About France, everythingthing which had not been sold during the revolution, was actually given back in 1814, or even by Napoléon. Most of the time these restitutions concerned the castles, (ok they were in a very bad state) and the forrest around them.

Some families even got back their "hotel particulier" in paris and a few still own them. Some of the castle still belong to the family as they were given back after the revolution : Brissac to the brissac, La Rochefoucauld to the Larochefoucauld, Uzès to teh Uzès, Luynes and Dampierre to the Luynes...

The main problem in France is the code napoléon who forbids to leave the family properties to the older son. For that reason many estates have been shared many times and sold. The latest one beeing the castle of Ansouis sold last year because the children did not reach an agreement between them.

That problem does not exist in Germany of Britain, as you can do what you want with you estate.

To tell you the truth, there is also a beginning of restitution in Russia, although it is very small. Apparently you can get back a property confiscated to one of your ancestors in 1917 if you can prove it was not confiscated in the legal way ( i mean with a legal decree).
I know one example of a family who managed to prove that two of their palaces in Moscow had been simply "occupied" and not officially "confiscated" and they got there properties back.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 06-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Shaiya's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 151
Good luck getting this to happen. Too bad it won't happen. Nobody is interested in restoring a monarchy that's been long gone, has no training in how to run a state and whom the public aren't even aware of.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 07-15-2009, 10:46 AM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: bath, United Kingdom
Posts: 171
What do the French think ?

I often wonder what do the French think about their historical Monarchy.....and the significant dates that come and go throughout the year.
Back in the days of the Sun King the French Monarchy was the most magnificent in Europe... The Palace of Versailles and the Royal Court set the fashion for all
of Europe ... the Monarchies ... Prussia, England...Russia... all looked to France as a model.

Marie Antoinette as Queen of France became a leader of fashion... then as her fate became more and more tragic she was the focus and subject of conversation in all the coffee houses.

The Republican French must see the remains of their magnificent Monarchy all around them... in historical buildings.... in museums... in street names...
does it all mean nothing to them ?... I wonder.......
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #113  
Old 07-15-2009, 12:45 PM
V.F.H.78's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Poissy, France
Posts: 112
Unfortunately the most part of the french are very republican and hate the Monarchy. When you talk to them about the King, they immediatly think about a despot, etc... And the most part of the french are very proud of the Revolution. They are proud to have fall down the Monarchy, to have decapitated the King Louis XVI and the Queen Marie Antoinette!
In France we can visit a lot of museums, a thousand of castles, cathedrals, etc... but it changes nothing in their mind.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 07-15-2009, 04:49 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: not far from Zurich, Switzerland
Posts: 648
Fortunately, there is "Point de Vue" for those in France who still love Royals.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 08-13-2009, 02:39 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 1
Hi there. New to the board. I'm actually going to Paris in a few days, so this thread caught my attention.

My main question is: What would France do if they had a King? Every French King/Emperor has been an absolute monarch with minimal representation by the people. I can't see France accepting that in the XXI century. So all you'd be getting would be a French Monarch who was like the British Constitutional Royal, but without the tradition and stability this implies. Basically you'd have to rework the whole French state - it's more than just replacing President with King.

As for whether the French actually want one, I'm not French, but I can point out a few important points. Firstly: Demographics have changed over the years; France now has only 51% Catholics. Since the French monarch was often (especially in the pre-Napoleon times) very much a champion of Catholicism, this is a significant barrier.
This is also combined with several million non-French such as North Africans, Turks, Cambodians, etc, and what you have is people who would be less inclined to support a monarch.

Besides, let's face it, 139 years since the fall of Napoleon III is a long time, and even longer for the traditional monarchy. While I support existing monarchs, one has to ask whether the French would gain anything from the considerable changes it would mean. After all, the previous monarchs were hardly great and caused lasting change. One has to go back to Louis XIV to find a monarch who left substantial, long lived, positive changes. Napoleon, after all, lost more men than Louis and gained nothing from it.

So yeah, that's my 2 cents.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 08-13-2009, 05:28 AM
Furienna's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Örnsköldsvik, Sweden
Posts: 1,206
Yeah, we will probably never see a new king or queen of France again, at least not in a forseeable future.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 02-02-2010, 09:34 PM
Mitar's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Prilep, Macedonia
Posts: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furienna View Post
But hasn't Yugoslavia done without a king since before the second world war? There was no king during the time of Tito, and after that, the former union of Yugoslavia started falling into parts like Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia. I hardly suspect any re-installment of the monarchy there. It was too long ago, that the monarchy was overthrown. Even if Spain re-installed its monarchy after decades, the serbs have been without a monarchy for a much longer time than what the spanish have. I don't think so. Sorry.
Serbia is in such a big trouble today that restoration of the monarchy seems to be quite possible. The heredity prince and the princess are getting more popular day by day. I see Serbia a monarchy in the next ten years.
__________________
How many cares one loses when one decides not to be something but to be someone - Coco Chanel
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 02-14-2010, 03:29 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: San Francisco, United States
Posts: 1
I was in Paris this past January and visited the Place Louis XVI. In the park, I met an elderly couple who came to pray for the restoration of the monarchy at the chapel. They were upset that the chapel was closed for renovations. It was an interesting encounter (fortunately they had lived in the USA and spoke fluent English) to hear their thoughts on the future of monarchy in France. Unfortunately, they were the only monarchists I met in France this winter. I asked other Parisians I met whether they were interested in a restoration, but all said "Non!".
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 02-16-2010, 11:06 AM
An Ard Ri's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Westmeath, Ireland
Posts: 8,919
Jeanne d'Albret or Jeanne III Queen of Navarre is a fascinating Royal Lady,she's not very likeable though
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 02-16-2010, 09:11 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Spring Hill, United States
Posts: 2,494
Quote:
Originally Posted by American Observer View Post
I was in Paris this past January...
I am sure that is true. Although, politicians are "bloodsuckers" to some degree, royalty is constant. They give little and take much. Plus, they inherit. So, Good King (Queen), miserable child, etc. You cannot choose or try and place the right people in the right place. Doesn't work in politics, also, but you can change.
__________________

__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello from France isabelle 53 Member Introductions and Updates 4 08-12-2008 03:40 PM
Hello from France ! Violaine Member Introductions and Updates 3 03-14-2008 11:14 AM




Additional Links
Popular Tags
abdication birth charlene chris o'neill crown prince frederik crown prince haakon crown princess letizia crown princess mary crown princess mette-marit current events duchess of cambridge dutch royal history fashion grand duchess maria teresa grand duke henri hohenzollern infanta leonor infanta sofia jewellery jordan king abdullah ii king carl xvi gustav king constantine ii king felipe king felipe vi king harald king juan carlos king philippe king willem-alexander luxembourg nobility olympic games ottoman pom president hollande president komorowski prince albert prince albert ii prince carl philip prince felipe prince floris prince maurits prince pieter-christiaan princess aimee princess anita princess astrid princess beatrix princess charlene princess claire princess letizia princess mabel princess madeleine princess margriet princess mary princess mary fashion princess of asturias queen letizia queen mathilde queen maxima queen rania queen silvia queen sofia royal royal fashion russia sofia hellqvist spain state visit wedding winter olympics 2014



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:10 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2014
Jelsoft Enterprises

Royal News Delivered to your Email!

You can get the latest Royal News right in your inbox.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]