France and Monarchy

[Russian]

Dear Louis14!
I am very glad that you work above restoration of a monarchy in France! Accept my best regards in this noble business!

[flcty]

From what I am learning in history (revolutions, especially focusing on the american revolution, thomas paine and the french rights of man) I doubt that France will return to a monarchy even to a contitutional monarchy.

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Russian

Excuse me, but I have a question.
What chances of restoration of a monarchy in France in XXI century?

I'd say as much of a chance as the probability of the restoration of the Tudor family (or what's left of it) to the throne in Britain. Or, as much of a chance as Indonesia begging the Netherlands to take them back as a colony. In other words, None. None whatsoever. Thank goodness.

Of course, I've learned in life to 'never say never', so time will tell and no one can predict the future. But boy do I NOT hope that France will be a monarchy again. It sure seems as if the blue blooded folks in that country are uptight and elitist enough as it is--actually come to think of it, perhaps that is because they have a chip on their shoulder as the country is 'throneless'?! And why oh why of all things to wish in the world would you want the French throne restored? What's in it for you? You don't have a stake in 'Point de Vue' or Voici, now do you?

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Danielane

I'd like to add there's a major probleme for the monarchy to be back in France: most of the monarchists are linked with severe or extrem right ideas, while they claim monarchy should be above parties. That doesn't help to explain their ideas among the french population.

Well in that case they might as well put Brigitte Bardot on the throne: movie 'royalty' if there ever was one, plus these days she's said to be quite conservative in her political leanings..At least she'd be able to use a throne as a platform to help the innocent, battered animals of the world..

[Marengo]

I am all in favour of Catherine Deneuve, Princess_Olga, she did a nice try in her latest movie :)
Brigitte Bardot can be her excentric aunt who talks to the press to often about her niece.
As for the crownprince....maybe Olivier Martinez? If he marries Kylie it will be an other Aussie successtory in royal europe

But seriously, I agree with you, the chances on a restauration in France are extremely small.

[Louis14]

Originally Posted by Marengo

But seriously, I agree with you, the chances on a restauration in France are extremely small.

Not later than yesterday, June 20, 2006, the head of the French opposition and the French Prime Minister violently insulted themselves in the French National Assembly!

In spite of the denials of the French Republicans who put France in a great disorder, the French population does not follow them any more. And we are sure that if there was a referendum today in France, for or against the restoration of monarchy, the monarchists would win it. French do not want any more the Republican disorder.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Louis14

Not later than yesterday, June 20, 2006, the head of the French opposition and the French Prime Minister violently insulted themselves in the French National Assembly!

In spite of the denials of the French Republicans who put France in a great disorder, the French population does not follow them any more. And we are sure that if there was a referendum today in France, for or against the restoration of monarchy, the monarchists would win it. French do not want any more the Republican disorder.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

Guess they don't want the potential scandals of a Royal family either... As in any family, it's bound to happen that there are black sheep. Who in France wants those "Royals"? Maybe the people of France just want people who know how to behave? Well, in a democracy they are able to give their leaders the notice if they don't behave... Why going back to monarchy then?

Today's Royals are not different from other people except for the past - in a modern country it should count what people make of their life, not what their ancestors did. In Germany, quite some nobles are in politics - if they're serious and convincing, they are accepted by the people and get the influence they deserve. If not, then not. Why change that? To what avail?

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Louis14

Not later than yesterday, June 20, 2006, the head of the French opposition and the French Prime Minister violently insulted themselves in the French National Assembly!

In spite of the denials of the French Republicans who put France in a great disorder, the French population does not follow them any more. And we are sure that if there was a referendum today in France, for or against the restoration of monarchy, the monarchists would win it. French do not want any more the Republican disorder.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

They don't want any disorder, in fact. But I kindly suggest you to pay the SOFRES or the IFOP (for non-French posters: these are institute specialised in public opinions poll) to see whether the french people really want monarchy. I'm impatient you post the results here.

[Louis14]

Originally Posted by Danielane

They don't want any disorder, in fact. But I kindly suggest you to pay the SOFRES or the IFOP (for non-French posters: these are institute specialised in public opinions poll) to see whether the french people really want monarchy. I'm impatient you post the results here.

An opinion poll relates to only, in the best case, a sample of a few thousands of people. France is a country of nearly sixty five million inhabitants. Why not to organize a real referendum where all the voters could be expressed? The French Republicans are they afraid of the vote expression?

The French Republicans put such a disorder at the top of the State so much so that nobody knows even who governs France today! Can they tell us if France is always governed? If so, by who? By the President of the Republic? By the Prime Minister? By the head of the governmental majority party? Perhaps by the street?

We think that the Republican institutions are completely worn and that it's time to finish with this Republic which inserts France, our Holy France, in the disorder and the shame of the whole world.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

[jeneve_valois]

honestly i think that if france recognized a monarchy it would be cermonial like in the uk just as a figure head and thats after the argument of who gets the title

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Louis14

An opinion poll relates to only, in the best case, a sample of a few thousands of people. France is a country of nearly sixty five million inhabitants. Why not to organize a real referendum where all the voters could be expressed? The French Republicans are they afraid of the vote expression?

The French Republicans put such a disorder at the top of the State so much so that nobody knows even who governs France today! Can they tell us if France is always governed? If so, by who? By the President of the Republic? By the Prime Minister? By the head of the governmental majority party? Perhaps by the street?

We think that the Republican institutions are completely worn and that it's time to finish with this Republic which inserts France, our Holy France, in the disorder and the shame of the whole world.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

An opinion poll may relate to a few people, but this few people are representatives of the proportion of the whole french population.

BTW, debate about monarchy/not monarchy is an ideological and political one, and I'm not sure it has its place on such a forum. I understand your arguments, I don't agree with everything but I will not debate about it here.

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I am all in favour of Catherine Deneuve, Princess_Olga, she did a nice try in her latest movie :)
Brigitte Bardot can be her excentric aunt who talks to the press to often about her niece.
As for the crownprince....maybe Olivier Martinez? If he marries Kylie it will be an other Aussie successtory in royal europe

But seriously, I agree with you, the chances on a restauration in France are extremely small.

LOL, Olivier Martinez would give even handsome Prince Felipe of Spain a run for his money! :p
But actually, you're mentioning Catherine Deneuve is different..speaking about polls, I bet a bottle of red Burgundy wine that if Deneuve could be voted onto the French throne, not many French citizens would disagree!

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Louis14

All the best to you and long life to the tsarist Russia.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

Agree the last Russian tsar was more benevolent, to say the least, than Stalin, in hindsight. But he was a dictator all the same. Then again, what's so bad really about a benevolent dictator? After all, Russia especially hasn't really had much, well, practice with a democratic system..

As for the French, yes the country is at a cross roads and yes a monarch could serve as a unifying force. But, that monarch would have to be in place already, to be able to be that unifying force. And not sail in only now, and add to the flames, politically, of confusion and people's overall frustration.

For example, the Netherlands, another country in the midst of re-thinking their system, their values, was very lucky to have queen Beatrix bravely step in at the right, tricky moments: after film maker van Gogh was killed by a member of an extremist minority group, she did the exact right thing and the next day, showed her face in the city of the crime, and went to talk to people of that minority.

She manifested herself on that occasion truly as the unifying force, as the true leader of her nation. BUT, she wouldn't have been able to do the same thing if she first would have had to fight herself onto an empty throne! if that had been the case, she would have been a dividing force and not the opposite.

Sure, I hear your point, France could use a true leader, but I think that to look to descendants of the last French monarchs for that, is looking in the wrong spot.

[Furienna]

So where should the French look for a monarch?

[flcty]

Originally Posted by Furienna

So where should the French look for a monarch?

Are the French people seriously thinking of adopting a monarchy ? When I wrote a reply to this thread earlier I thought it was a "your opinion" to whether or not France should have a monarchy. I did'nt know the French were seriously considering it.
Can anyone share more light on the situation. The political situation of France, right now. I'm very intrested.

[Furienna]

I'm not French, so I don't really know, but I don't think they're seriously considering a monarchy more than what USA is.

[Russian]

That is the majority of the Frenchmen considers a monarchy as frivolous business? Except for Louis 14?

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Furienna

So where should the French look for a monarch?

There are plenty of Bourbons to pick from. We only know the standards but there are many spread through the French aristocracy. Although a new dynasty could start a new page in history.
But I doubt France won't be a monarchy again, at least in our lifetime.

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by Furienna

So where should the French look for a monarch?

They shouldn't! :)
A leader doesn't necessarily need to be a monarch, it could even be a politician or a church leader, however partisan that may sound. Bishop Tutu from South Africa has done an incredible amount to unite his country politically as well as socially for example. I think that for France, those Bourbons just wouldn't cut it, not in the view of post-revolution, post Bonaparte French citizens. Much more is asked of a true leader these days than sitting around eating cake in a castle and wave at the crowd every so often (sorry, just <had> to bring up cake!)

[Vanesa]

Originally Posted by Louis14

An opinion poll relates to only, in the best case, a sample of a few thousands of people. France is a country of nearly sixty five million inhabitants. Why not to organize a real referendum where all the voters could be expressed? The French Republicans are they afraid of the vote expression?

The French Republicans put such a disorder at the top of the State so much so that nobody knows even who governs France today! Can they tell us if France is always governed? If so, by who? By the President of the Republic? By the Prime Minister? By the head of the governmental majority party? Perhaps by the street?

We think that the Republican institutions are completely worn and that it's time to finish with this Republic which inserts France, our Holy France, in the disorder and the shame of the whole world.

Par la Grâce de Dieu, Louis-le-14ème.

I agree with you! Finally someone who thinks exactly like me!

Vanesa.