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Old 07-27-2010, 10:04 AM
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Who would trust a branch like the Orleans who betrayed King Louis XVI and King Charles X?
Obviously only Prince Louis-Alphonse could be the future King.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:19 AM
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You can't be serious. Come back to a pre 1789 regime ? A divine right monarchy? Wake up Dear Versailles times are definitively over (they were already over in 1804 so in the 21st century ....).
My great great great grandfather was born in 1762, My great great grandfather in 1811, my great grandmother in 1853 and my grand father in 1883.

So even though I'm of the 21st century I'm still only 5 generations away from the time the revolution started. The average is 9 -10 for a person my age.

I'm not even thirty.
closer to history then most
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:14 AM
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And the Republic?The Republic brought what to France?
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité

The French Republic, and more exactly the Vth republic since 1958 (and i know it well because, well, i'm french ) is a subtil mix of people democraty, revolution, socialism, gallic pride, frustratred monarchy with strong napoleonic influences. Seems complicated ?.. well it's french my dear

To be french it's above all being "révolutionnaire"
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Who would trust a branch like the Orleans who betrayed King Louis XVI and King Charles X?
That is a very poor argument for the cause of which you speak.

Who would trust a branch like the Orléans? Incase it has gone unnoticed, those who perpetrated betrayal, and those who were betrayed, have been long dead and burried. Their misgivings do not reflect the integrity of those who now act as claimant to the defunct royal throne of France. It is the occasional familial quarreling which leaves a less than convincing impression.

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Obviously only Prince Louis-Alphonse could be the future King.
Could, theoretically speaking, be 'a' future King. Not 'the' future King.
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Old 07-27-2010, 05:21 PM
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The Fifth Republic, as said above, gave more power to a French head of state than any time since the monarchy, which was designed to ensure stability in contrast to what eventuated in the Fourth and the latter years of the Third. Even the restored monarchies of the 19th century, more particularly the July Monarchy, never repeated the pre-1789 absolutism. Heck, Napoleon ruled under a theoretically constitutional system too, but his power was derived from being commander of the military.
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:36 PM
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The French Republic, and more exactly the Vth republic since 1958 (and i know it well because, well, i'm french ) is a subtil mix of people democraty, revolution, socialism, gallic pride, frustratred monarchy with strong napoleonic influences. Seems complicated ?.. well it's french my dear
Are you totally ignoring what happened to the people of france in this revolution? I won't go more into it cause its the wrong thread.
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:41 PM
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Who would trust a branch like the Orléans?
Maybe cory is speaking of the ideals of the family line. Aren't they of totally different ideals then the boubon line?
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Old 07-27-2010, 06:56 PM
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Yes the Duc D'Orleans... was nt he one of the main architects of the Revolution ? he may even have financed the mob too in the early days !


he was also an anglophile and a close friend of the Prince of Wales.
His private domain... the Palais Royal ... became a meeting place for the Jacobins and a place for sedition and plotting against the monarchy.

Clearly the Old Regime and the powers that be were losing the plot... allowing such goings on right in the heart of Paris.

Perhaps the anglophile and Rousseau loving Duc D'Orleans did more than anyone else to drive a steak into the very heart of the Royal Family .... bringing to an end 1000 years of French Monarchy.
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Yes, Louis helped the Americans, greatly. Much needed help. What he missed was why theose forces were fighting against the King of England. Not giving people their rights and the great overclass, spurred on the French Revolution. Simple explanation.
Louis tried many time to tax the clergy and nobles. The parliment of Paris was the leading court, with power over one third of france. Everytime he tried to tax them they rebelled. without the favour of this powerfull court the other parliments would not vote in favour. Why wouldn't the greedy rich want to start paying taxes. Louis even abolished the corvee in most of lower class provences. Given the chance he would have reformed the country. But he was murdered before he could.
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Old 07-27-2010, 07:16 PM
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Are you totally ignoring what happened to the people of france in this revolution? I won't go more into it cause its the wrong thread.
Oh Dear, oh dear, oh dear...

Your lack of sense of humour is impressive... I know perfectly my national history thank you Dear (and i presume better than you btw , after all i'm a member of this dear old "people of France" ) and sorry to have a relatively decomplexed view about this said history, it's my right hey after all i was raised with it (and still work with it in my daily life) ...

It's always important to have a little distance from all these historical events ( complex facts for french people so even more complex seen from abroad). Why to be so over sensitive? Why on earth the french monarchy thread always brings such drama ? (and why oh why some eccentric people abroad want to sent us a spanish king ? ).

Aaaah misčre misčre !

ps : the "revolutionnaire" word was from...Eric Cantonna (you know the Football player) , as you can see the sentence was very lighthearted

Pss : David V you're absolutely right
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Old 07-27-2010, 08:00 PM
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Funny thread!


Nico, you don´t know what you´re talking about! You want the king back! It´s just brainwash! (I´m just kidding)
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:33 AM
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(and why oh why some eccentric people abroad want to sent us a spanish king ? ).
Come on, Nico, is the prince of Bauffremont-Courtenay and his institute "people abroad"? Maybe they are eccentic but French ones.
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Old 07-28-2010, 04:41 AM
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Are the british any worse off? Danish, Monaco ect... Do they not have the same rights france has? They have a royal. I don't get it. Are you looking at what a French monarchy could be today? or what it was like 200 years ago?

This is not Hitler or Starlin, Its a constitutional monarchy. Everyone has there own opinions, I'm just floored by the opinion that a monachy would be worst thing on earth. Is that what is taught in french schools?
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as mine is that god with have his devine rule france again. whether constitutional or not.
The above suggests a return to an autocratic state, as a possibility, should it be the will of God.

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This is not Hitler or Starlin, Its a constitutional monarchy.
And now you talk of constitutions?

Interesting...

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Are you looking at what a French monarchy could be today? or what it was like 200 years ago?
You should perhaps ask yourself, the very same question :)
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:22 AM
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I believe in a devine right of kings. If France was the way I wanted it would be an absolute moarchy, but hello Its just my opinion.
reality is that only a constitutional monarchy could be achieved in todays world. better then a republic.
God is the KING of KINGS!!! devine right exsists!
there are religious people in political parties no? Does the queen of england still pray to god?, address people in gods name?
You betcha.
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Certainly you are speaking only on your behalf, and I acknowledge that fact :)

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devine right exsists!
"Devine right" is an ideological thought which was used to suppress society and maintain autocratic authority. To put, for better use of a phrase, 'the fear of god' into people was a successful way of repressing the liberties of the indavidual and of society at large.

No monarch rules or reigns as a result of "devine right", but by way of 'accident of birth', election or abdication.

And I say this as someone who has herself a very strong sense of faith. I however prefer an astute path of contemplation.

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If France was the way I wanted it would be an absolute moarchy
Because absolute monarchies have set such an excellent example...

You seem inclined to make this about "devine right", instead of the fundamental reasons as to why a return of the monarchy in this, the 21st Century, is what France needs. Infact, you have asserted no other argument. That's hardly grounds for a restoration.

In any such case, you'd need more than the pursuasion of "devine right" to influence any such motion. Especially when France is now a country of so many diverse cultures and faiths.
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I'd like to see the Orleans on the throne if a Restoration of the French Monarchy was possible
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Old 07-28-2010, 06:49 PM
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No orleans!!! hahaha they commited treason!
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Maybe they did, but that was a long time ago, wasn't it?

About monarchy in France, I think we have to agree, that the ship has sailed on that one. France has been a republic for too long. I like the modern constitutional monarchies as much as we all do on this forum. I could never imagine us having a president here in Sweden, for example. But still, France has been a republic for 140 years, so I think it's way too late to go back.

Of course, Spain went back to monarchy as recently as in 1975, but then, they had a proper royal house just waiting to return, and also, they had "only" been in exile for twenty-eight years. So that was a different situation altogether.
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