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Old 01-01-2018, 09:16 PM
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I don't think it does matter legally as France is a republic.....as Jean is now the eldest son of course he becomes dauphin
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Old 01-02-2018, 06:00 AM
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On a certain moment Prince Jean was the Dauphin despite being a junior son, until relations between father and son became sour once again.

Henri decreed that Francois was and remains his firstborn son and Dauphin but -because of his severe handicap- Jean would be "Régent du Dauphin".

That was factually the correct situation. Henri honoured the birthright of Francois. And now that he has left this life, it is now Jean who is the undisputed Dauphin for the orléanists.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:37 AM
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The last Dauphin was Louis XVII
The last Dauphine was his mother then Princess Marie Antoinette.
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Old 01-02-2018, 11:50 AM
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The last Dauphin was Louis XVII
The last Dauphine was his mother then Princess Marie Antoinette.
Well technically not quite, as the Duc and Duchess of Angoulème were the last Dauphin and Dauphine during the reign of Charles X.
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Old 01-02-2018, 02:19 PM
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Thanks for the information!
It appears that Henry, Count of Paris, observes formalities by issuing decrees/ communiques.
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Old 01-02-2018, 03:12 PM
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The last Dauphin was Louis XVII
The last Dauphine was his mother then Princess Marie Antoinette.
Prince Henri is the Duc d'Orléans and his children are princes/princesses d'Orléans. That is the most pure form.

But he uses the dynastical titles Comte de Paris for himself, Mademoiselle de Valois, Comte de Clermont, Duc de Vendôme and Duc d'Angoulême for his children. And "Dauphin" for his successor.

We can have second thoughts about it, but Duc d'Anjou, Duca di Noto, Principe di Piacenza, etc. are equally dynastical titles and yes, there are reigning Royal Houses which acknowledge these titles.

The same with the annex "et du Saint-Empire" used by noble families while that Empire is long gone. It is part of the dynastic history. Up to every individual to appreciate it, or not.
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Old 01-02-2018, 04:07 PM
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Heartbreaking end of the year tragedy for the Royal House of France.


ETA: I also don't see the point-other than unnecessary rudeness -to point out that there is no more "Dauphin" of France. There was/is no longer a King of Romania either but that never stopped posters at TRF from referring to to "King Michael".

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Old 01-02-2018, 04:41 PM
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May he rest in peace,have any funeral plans been released?
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Since France IS a Republic, with no possibility of a restoration, there is no 'Dauphin', only a title 'in pretence'...

May the late man, 'rest in peace'.
And you choose this thread to point that out? Do you think members of a royal forum don't know that?
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Heartbreaking end of the year tragedy for the Royal House of France.


ETA: I also don't see the point-other than unnecessary rudeness -to point out that there is no more "Dauphin" of France. There was/is no longer a King of Romania either but that never stopped posters at TRF from referring to to "King Michael".

Requiescat in pace.
There's a lot of difference between Michael and the Frnech royals. He was king of Romania, and was forced to abdicate. They haven't been kings of France for over 100 years and ther'es pretty much no prospect of a restoration.
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Do you think members of a royal forum don't know that?
It would appear some don't.. there hasn't been a 'Dauphin' since 1830..
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There's a lot of difference between Michael and the Frnech royals. He was king of Romania, and was forced to abdicate. They haven't been kings of France for over 100 years and ther'es pretty much no prospect of a restoration.
Constantine of Greece was forced to abdicate a half a century ago by a military junta, and Greece has made it clear that there is no desire to have him back...yet he and his family have a quite active thread here. So what is the cutoff for us to stop referring to defunct titles and families...fifty years? A hundred? Two hundred?

This is a Royal Forum, not necessarily concerning itself with only active Royal families and dynasties. My guess is that most posters are reasonably bright enough not to need to be reminded that "Dauphin" is a defunct title.
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Old 01-02-2018, 07:22 PM
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Prince François lived as a Child with a very strong Handicap.
He was so happy assisting to family Events.
Thanks for giving him a Thread in this Royal Forums.
We know nothing about his Funerals and we have such a lot of threads about the title of Dauphin , Prince François never knew about.
When he was born he had the first royal Baptism at Dreux. It was some weeks after they discovered his ilness.
May the Members of the board think at the great sorrow of his old Mother the Duchess of Montpensier to his father the Comte de Paris . To his Sisters Marie and Blanche and his Brothers Jean and Eudes.
All my deep respect for them and may Prince François Rest in Piece.
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Old 01-04-2018, 07:21 AM
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Prince Francois will be buried this Saturday at the Royal Chapel of Dreux.

Le prince François de France sera inhumé samedi à la chapelle royale, à Dreux - Le blog de La Couronne

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The chapel royale de Dreux is the necropolis for members of the House of Orléans since after the Revolution.
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What was the reason of his death? His heart suddenly stopped? Or it was pneumonia?
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I don't see any mention of Michaela......better like this but a bit surprising.
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Old 01-04-2018, 08:25 AM
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By the way nothing in this week Point de Vue.... I suppose it was too late to print anything
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HRH Prince Louis-Alphonse de Bourbon wrote a Letter to the Duke of Vendome after the death of Prince Francois:

https://www.legitimite.fr/single-pos...99Orl%C3%A9ans
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Old 01-04-2018, 10:30 AM
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HRH Prince Louis-Alphonse de Bourbon wrote a Letter to the Duke of Vendome after the death of Prince Francois:

https://www.legitimite.fr/single-pos...99Orl%C3%A9ans
That is a lovely and heartfelt letter, while he himself has to mourn a loss (his grandmother). Maybe Luis Alfonso adressed the letter to François' brother (and not to the parents) because he has seems to have a personal cordiality with Jean.
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