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So what "shady things" did Catherine do?
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Catherine will never escape her own Black Legend she will be for ever the wicked queen,Elizabeth I did equally terrible things in Ireland but her memory is revered.

Catherine had some fine moments but her involvement in the brutal St. Bartholomew's Day massacre of 1572 has tainted her forever.
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That is a good point An Ard Ri, there are other "bold women" throughout history who aren't painted as monsters like Catherine. I know Catherine the Great is sometime painted as a "loose woman" but she's not portrayed as a monster. There are some women who did evil things... Just like some men.
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Catherine will never escape her own Black Legend she will be for ever the wicked queen,Elizabeth I did equally terrible things in Ireland but her memory is revered.

Catherine had some fine moments but her involvement in the brutal St. Bartholomew's Day massacre of 1572 has tainted her forever.
It is hard to judge those people by our modern standards, especially in light of the religious conflict that existed in Europe at the time. Elizabeth I, Philip II of Spain, Catherine de Médici, they all had blood on their hands in some sense, but, without condoning their acts in any way, from their perspective, they were doing what they thought was right to defend the “ true faith “ , or, more cynically, to protect their own crowns from potential enemies.
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I don't think its hard at all:
The Inquisition was terrible
Ivan IV was Terrible (I can't help but to like the man)
Caligula was horrible
Bella Swan is a horrible book character

We constantly judge history, we just have to try to do it in context. For me I give the incest that takes place throughout history a pass and don't judge it.
I sympathize with the people of France but still think they took the revolution too far.

I only know sparse about Catherine but her misdeeds go beyond the massacre... Apparently she wasn't a good mother either, any comments from my MKOs?
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The French diplomat Jean Nicot presented tobacco to Queen Catherine.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-jea...105292759.html
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The French diplomat Jean Nicot presented tobacco to Queen Catherine.
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-jea...105292759.html
Catherine used snuff as a cure for headaches and it became fashionable at the French court.
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Catherine de Médicis was related to many of the French noble houses and the Bourbons via her mother,Madeleine de La Tour d'Auvergne.

Catherine's maternal grandmother was Jeanne de Bourbon-Vendôme (1465-1511).



Her maternal grandfather was John III of Auvergne (1467 – 28 March 1501), Count of Auvergne, Count of Boulogne, Count de Lauraguais.

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Catherine's maternal great grandparents and great great grand parents

Great Grandmother

Isabelle de Beauvau,Countess of Vendôme (1436-1475)

Great Grandfather

Jean VIII de Bourbon-Vendôme,Count of Vendôme (1446-1477)

Great Great Grandparents

Jeanne de Laval (1405-1468),Countess of Vendôme
Louis Ier de Bourbon-Vendôme,Count of Vendôme (1393–1446)

All 4 are depicted on the stained glass at le Sainte-Chapelle du château de Champigny-sur-Veude. (courtesy of Wikipedia)


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