The Bonaparte Imperial Family

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[Russian]

Caroline Bonaparte has the friend or she is married?
The younger brother of Charles Bonaparte Jerome Bonaparte presently is single or he has the girlfriend?

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Russian

Caroline Bonaparte has the friend or she is married?
The younger brother of Charles Bonaparte Jerome Bonaparte presently is single or he has the girlfriend?

As much as we know, they are still single.

[Russian]

Than now is engaged Caroline Bonaparte? What character she has? Excuse me, please, but I have a question. Caroline Bonaparte it is valid not so beautiful or it simply unsuccessfully looks in photos? What does she do in the maximum French aristocratic society if to judge on photos from a site www.capetiens.com?

[Toledo]

By the way, Russian, I'm not partisan of any Royal or Imperial group. I'm just interested in royalty and history in general since it's our history what defines us in the present. This afternoon I was reading a great short story from a book named Worlds that weren't , to be precise the fiction short story The Logistics of Carthage by Mary Gentle. After her short novel is finished she added a 6 page summary and giving one great quote about what is the past and what is history, so I'll share it:

The past happened. It's just that we can't recover it. History is what we can recover, and is a collection of fallible memories, inconvenient documents, disconcerting new facts, and solemn cultural bedtime stories..."

Mary Gentle, The Logistics of Carthage, 2002

I guess if I had to be labeled, categorized and shelved it would be as an history fan more than a fan of any particular royal.
goodnight.

[cesar]

Hi, i was wondering, you guys talk so much about bonapartes vs bourbons, besides wishing for the restoration of Imperial France how do i know that i am a bonapartist.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by cesar

I think the question of the First Emperor offsprings is very important for the aspirations of us Bonapartists, personally i feel that since the Death of L'Aiglon at Schonbrum, the House of Bonaparte must realized that they are nominating descendency of Napoleon's brother's, I am a bonapartist and for me the issue of the Emperor descedancy is critical to evaluate our posibilities of restoring Imperial France.

Why would you want to consider restoring the illegitimate descendants of the Emperor when there is a legitimate branch of the Bonaparte family springing from Jerome?

[cesar]

Why would you want to consider restoring the illegitimate descendants of the Emperor when there is a legitimate branch of the Bonaparte family springing from Jerome?

Because the bonapartist movement already experienced the failure of one of the First Emperor´s brothers descendants,Napoleon III, besides is a cuestion of marketing, what do you think sells better for people who most probably believe that the House of Bonaparte is nothing more than oportunists and that Republicanism should stay as the ruling tendency in France.
I am not saying that Bonapartism should discard the First Emperor's brothers descendants, just that, we must remind is not the Emperor's direct descendants.
According to the Imperial Succesion Act, the emperor had specify that he didnt want to consider Jerome for the Succesion, all that i am saying is that we must realize that before jumping into conclussions of possible outcomes in the future. It would very different if we talk about direct descendants wether they re legititmal or contrary

[Warren]

Originally Posted by cesar

... It would very different if we talk about direct descendants wether they re legititmal or contrary

And the 'illegimate' descendants who could be classed as Pretenders or claimants to a Bonaparte Restoration are...?

[cesar]

Well we know for sure that during his time as Emperor of France, Napoleon held an affair with the polish Comtesse Marie Waleska and there was a son, but that s not the point, i dont want to argue about direct or indirect descendants, all that i am saying is that the people of France see Napoleon as a Warrior, a Hero, probably the Greatest generals of history; i dont think that the see his brothers and sisters like that. I might be wrong of course, but all what you have to do is to look at the rule of Napoleon III, i don t think France sees him just like they see Napoleon I

[Benjamin]

The fact is that no one will ever be another Napoleon I, not even his descendants via Count Alexandre Walewski, of which there are a few.

[cesar]

Thats right, that s what i think we must realize first, it is an advantage the fact that the House of Bonaparte carries the most outstanding achievements of France as a modern nation, it a disadvantage the fact that there are no direct descendants from the First Emperor.

Prince Napoleon must realize first that, but i think that if monarchy ever returns to France, the House of Bonaparte will give Bourbons a good fight for the Throne.

Does anyone knows if there is "an official Bonpartist internet page"?

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by cesar

Does anyone knows if there is "an official Bonpartist internet page"?

Since Charles doesn't actively press his claim, he only has a website for his ongoing legislative camaign.


However, there is the <SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><FONT face=Verdana color=#000080 size=2><A href="http://francebonapartiste.free.fr/c_e_r_b_.htm">Centre d’Etudes et de Recherches sur le Bonapartisme

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by cesar

Thats right, that s what i think we must realize first, it is an advantage the fact that the House of Bonaparte carries the most outstanding achievements of France as a modern nation, it a disadvantage the fact that there are no direct descendants from the First Emperor.

Prince Napoleon must realize first that, but i think that if monarchy ever returns to France, the House of Bonaparte will give Bourbons a good fight for the Throne.
Does anyone knows if there is "an official Bonpartist internet page"?

There are descendants, just not from his direct marriages. Check out the new Royal Genealogy sub forum on their family charts.
In the hypothetical situation that they were able to get themselves back into the limelight. maybe in the world of politics, I doubt they cold quarrel with the Orleans because the current two young princes Napoleon have Capet blood in them as blue as any other Bourbon or Orleans. They are now family since their mother is a Borbon Two-Sicilies princess.

But I doubt either Borbons, Orleans or Bonapartes get close to turn back time. For that there have to be an out of the ordinary event or political crisis in the country that enables a change in the system. Last time that happened was after WW II, De Gaulle had it in his hands to go either way just like Franco did in Spain, and he choose to go Republic as Franco chose to go Monarchy. Had these pretenders been a little more vocal during the occupation they could have been given a second chance during that chaotic post WW II era.
But that is now water under the bridge, long gone

[Benjamin]

Here are some links to photographs of the current Bonapartes:

H.I.H. The Dowager Princess Napoléon with H.R.H. The Comte de Paris and his nephew Charles-Philippe (I think she was at the funeral for H.R.H. the late Duchess of Castro, mother of the Dowager Princess Napoléon's former daughter-in-law, in 2005)

H.I.H. The Dowager Princess Napoléon followed by H.I.H. The Prince Napoléon at some Napoleonic ceremony in 2004

H.I.H. Prince Jérôme Napoléon at the Silver Wedding of T.R.H. The Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg

H.I.H. Prince Jean-Christophe Napoléon with H.I.H. Princess Caroline Napoléon

[Benjamin]

According to this press release from the Government of Luxembourg, the Princess Napoléon attended the funeral of Grand Duchess Joséphine-Charlotte. Alix had in 1993 attended (with her late husband) the funeral of the Joséphine-Charlotte's brother, Baudouin.

[Russian]

The French Legistimist Case

I have read this document.
As I correct has understood, this document excludes the right of the womans on french throne? Then Beatrice de Bourbon Two Sicilies can not be a heiress of the french throne. Her children too can not be a legal successor of the french kings since they is Bonaparte.

[Russian]

The brother of Napoleon Bonaparte Jerome married princess from the House Wurtemberg. Their son married the Italian princess. Further their successor Victor Napoleon Bonaparte married the Belgian princess who was the daughter of the Belgian king. Charles Napoleon Bonaparte was married Beatrice de Bourbon Two Sicilies. From what family there is his mother Alix de Foresta?

[Benjamin]

Alix is the daughter of the late Comte and Comtesse de Foresta.

[Russian]

And from what families there are her parents?