The Bonaparte Imperial Family

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Toledo

I edited that post quite a few times, I hope you got the last version of it!

I hope too, I'll check.

The count of Paris wants to run for President in 2007, that's new to me. Was this before or after Charles Napoleon started getting some publicity for the 2007 election?

In fact, Charles Napoleon already got some publicity when he was a local "politician" in Ajaccio.
The count of Paris... I don't remember. He already published an article in a right-wing paper against the european constitution.

Interesting.

You have access to the local information over there, I hope you keep us informed because 2007 seems to be the return of the royals year in France.

Return of the royals is a very big word. I would use other words to descriebe 2007 and the french elections. Frankly, Toledo, you're very optimist, too much, about royals and return in France.

[Danielane]

I just saw the last editions. To be honnet, the majority of the french people don't care at all about Bourbons/Orléans/Bonapart. There are too negative images of monarchy and Empire for the French.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Danielane

To be honnet, the majority of the french people don't care at all about Bourbons/Orléans/Bonapart. There are too negative images of monarchy and Empire for the French.

Ah ha! But doesn't the whole notion of "Gloire de France" rest on the brilliance of the Court of Louis XIV, and then the (short-lived) Imperial ambitions and achievements of Napoleon I? Take away those two legacies and the "gloire" becomes rather threadbare.

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Warren

Ah ha! But doesn't the whole notion of "Gloire de France" rest on the brilliance of the Court of Louis XIV, and then the (short-lived) Imperial ambitions and achievements of Napoleon I? Take away those two legacies and the "gloire" becomes rather threadbare.

No. All that remains from Louis XIV is slavery in colonies, wars against the whole Europa, absolute monarch anti-democratic, etc, etc... All that remains from Napoleon is "he was an Hitler before Hitler", slavery in Antillas, wars, absolutism. Nothing positive can be praised in the French past, unlike you want to be treated of "defensor of slavery, antidemocratic, tyran, etc, etc...". Nothing.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Danielane

No. All that remains from Louis XIV is slavery in colonies, wars against the whole Europa, absolute monarch anti-democratic, etc, etc... All that remains from Napoleon is "he was an Hitler before Hitler", slavery in Antillas, wars, absolutism. Nothing positive can be praised in the French past, unlike you want to be treated of "defensor of slavery, antidemocratic, tyran, etc, etc...". Nothing.

But there's the palaces and Loire chateaux! (and the Bourbons ).

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Warren

But there's the palaces and Loire chateaux! (and the Bourbons ).

Don't even try to understand, it's a typical french mentality to make his own country guilty of every crime in the earth.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by Warren

Ah ha! But doesn't the whole notion of "Gloire de France" rest on the brilliance of the Court of Louis XIV, and then the (short-lived) Imperial ambitions and achievements of Napoleon I? Take away those two legacies and the "gloire" becomes rather threadbare.

Touché!

And don't forget that the modern Parisian urban design was planned during Napoleon III. While the Bourbons decided to escape Paris for the suburbs it was Napoleon III that 'restored' it dignity as a glorious capital. Well, capital of sins in the 19th century but still the most exciting place to be when compared to the other more somber capitals cities around.

[Toledo]

Kidding aside, I just wanted to know more about those interesting 2007 elections where two rival royal and imperial French dynasties enter the political arena. I found this site on Kings and Presidents of France:
http://www.roi-president.com/

[RhapsodyBrat]

Originally Posted by Toledo

Kidding aside, I just wanted to know more about those interesting 2007 elections where two rival royal and imperial French dynasties enter the political arena. I found this site on Kings and Presidents of France:
http://www.roi-president.com/

too bad it doesn't have an English site. :o but i saw the Bourbon dynasty genealogy, and it stops with Louis-Philippe I. no mention of the current/existing members of the line.

[Jo of Palatine]

Originally Posted by Danielane

No. All that remains from Louis XIV is slavery in colonies, wars against the whole Europa, absolute monarch anti-democratic, etc, etc... All that remains from Napoleon is "he was an Hitler before Hitler", slavery in Antillas, wars, absolutism. Nothing positive can be praised in the French past, unlike you want to be treated of "defensor of slavery, antidemocratic, tyran, etc, etc...". Nothing.

The first declaration of human rights was French. Napoleon created the Code Civil, which is still the basis of many European codice of civil rights and laws. He gave certain rights of inheritance and control of their own money to women, which enabled them to ask for divorce when they were mistreated. He enforced these liberal French laws on the countries he conquered and changed not only France from a absolutistic to a bit more liberal state.

France invested heavily in scientific research, many universities offered safe harbours to scientists who were prosecuted by the state or the church (inquisition) in their own home countries. I'm definately not a fan of french culture but it isn't true that ther eis nothing positive to be found.

[Furienna]

So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Furienna

So Napoleon still has descendants? WOW!

The current Bonaparte dynasts are descended from Napoleon's brother Jerome.

[Furienna]

Ah! That makes more sense! I thought Napoleon's son had no children...

[ibf]

Does anyone know how many kids Empress Eugenie had? Some websites I go to on the internet say that she only had one son and then others talk about Eugenie and her children. Who were her other children?

[Russian]

Why Louis Bonaparte has quarrelled with son Charles-Napoleon before death? Why they had disagreements? In what it was shown?

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Russian

Why Louis Bonaparte has quarrelled with son Charles-Napoleon before death? Why they had disagreements? In what it was shown?

Louis Napoléon (the family's name is now Napoléon) had created his grandson Jean-Christophe Head of the family when he (Louis) would be died, after Charles and Beatrice's divorce, but Charles never accepted this. BTW, Jean-Christophe is a rather discret (and very handsome) guy.

[Russian]

The father has not forgiven to the son of divorce with its wife?

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Russian

The father has not forgiven to the son of divorce with its wife?

It seems so...

[Russian]

Jean-Christophe is a rather discret

Excuse me, but I can not understand meaning of word "discret".

[Danielane]

Originally Posted by Russian

Excuse me, but I can not understand meaning of word "discret".

Well, he's not seen in many events, he's not at the headlines of the papers. In fact, I'm only hearing about him in Point de Vue. I suppose he must be studying (he's 20).