Hereditary Prince Alois & Princess Sophie

[Mandy]

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[Princess Robijn]

hello, I have a question, Is Princess Sophie, also a princess of the United Kingdom?? (because I think I read that somewhere)

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

hello, I have a question, Is Princess Sophie, also a Princess of the United Kingdom??

No. Sophie was born a Princess of Bavaria, became a Duchess in Bavaria, and is now Hereditary Princess von und zu Liechtenstein.

The Princess of the UK bit I imagine comes from the Stuart/Jacobite line of succession to the British Throne. The "Representative and heir of King Charles I of England" is today Duke Franz of Bavaria, Head of the House of Wittelsbach. He is unmarried, so the Jacobite claim will pass to his brother, Duke Max in Bavaria. Duke Max has five daughters, the eldest being Princess Sophie, so she will inherit the claim in due course. It will then pass to her and Alois' eldest son, Prince Josef Wenzel, who will one day be the reigning Prince of Liechtenstein as well as the Jacobite claimant to the British Crown.
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[Princess Robijn]

Hi, what does this mean: "Jacobite claimant to the British Crown" and I've read somewhere that she maybe isn't a princess of UK, but she is a princess of scotland. does anyonde know something about this.


I found the information about scotland at: http://www.defendersofscotland.org/f...succession.htm

[Cathérine Bergeyck]

Prince Alois, princess Sophie and their children at the national day : 15th of August 2005. (seegerpress)

[Cathérine Bergeyck]

Seegerpress

Their 4 children :

1 - 2 . prince Joseph Wenzel
3. prince Georg
4. prince Nikolaus Sebastian
5 - 6. princess Marie Caroline

[Cathérine Bergeyck]

and a few more of the national day, celebrated in Vaduz :

[Princess Robijn]

very good pictures

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Princess Robijn

Hi, what does this mean: "Jacobite claimant to the British Crown" and I've read somewhere that she maybe isn't a princess of UK, but she is a princess of scotland. does anyonde know something about this.

The Jacobites are the supporters of the descendants of Princess Henrietta Anne, a daughter of Charles I (thus sister of Charles II and James II) who were excluded from the British succession. The Act of Settlement barred Roman Catholics from the throne thereby excluding most of the Stuarts. Parliament ruled that the succession should instead pass to James I's granddaughter the Electress Sophia of Hanover (and her descendants), she being the closest Protestant in line to the throne after Queen Anne.

The Jacobites supported James II's son, James Francis Edward ("the Old Pretender") and his son, Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charlie", "the Young Pretender") in their struggle against the Hanoverian Kings of Great Britain. Jacobites consider the Hanovers (and by extension, the Windsors) to be usurpers.

So the exercise of determining who would be the Stuart (aka Jacobite) "legitimate" King of Great Britain today brings us to Duke Franz of Bavaria, his niece Princess/Duchess Sophie, and eventually Prince Josef Wenzel of Liechtenstein.
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[Princess Robijn]

thank you Warren, now i get it :) :) :)

[Princess Robijn]

are there some more pictures of HSH princess Marie Caroline

[moosey60]

Princess Sophie looks so old these days...she looked a little sad in the pictures of post #5. Her kids are growing up, though! They all looked so young last year.

[btsnyder]

I was just wondering...since Prince Alois basically married above himself (he's a Serene Highness, Sophie a Royal Highness), does that pose any interesting problems in terms of precedence, seating, etc.? Are they always referred to as His Serene Highness Prince Alois and Her Royal Highness Princess Sophie? Are there any other couples with this situation out there?

[Alisa]

In reference to their styles you are correct. However when the couple are spoken about generally they are usually referred to as "The Hereditary Couple".

[paloma]

She DID NOT lose the HRH prefix. She remains HRH because it is higher than HSH. Yes, she married an HSH, but she retains the HRH.

[HRH Kerry]

Is that really considered marrying beneath? She could have married a commoner. Marrying a hereditary prince to a (2-3)billion dollar fortune ain't exactly slummin' !!!

[Warren]

In the rules regarding marriages dating back to the Holy Roman Empire this union is 'equal'. As Kerry has said, she is hardly "slumming it" by marrying a Hereditary Prince who is destined to become the reigning sovereign of the only country in the world that bears the ruling family's name.

[linda85]

Could someone explain the difference between the Duchess in Bavaria as opposed to the Duchess of Bavaria? Doesn't it have something to do with the younger and older versions of the royal house?
Thanks in advance.
Linda 85

[rchainho]

it's a stupid question but does the princes of this country have so little events to go? Just the reign family live in the palace? What they do inside the country when they don't have anything to attend? I went there in Liechtenstein last year and some ppl that live there said me that don't go out of the palace any time because of the gossips.

[HRH Kerry]

Originally Posted by linda85

Could someone explain the difference between the Duchess in Bavaria as opposed to the Duchess of Bavaria? Doesn't it have something to do with the younger and older versions of the royal house?
Thanks in advance.
Linda 85

Linda85,

I found something that very briefly explains the in/of Bavaria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_in_Bavaria

Kerry