Royalty of Brunei: News & Photos 2 - Page 4

**Humera** · #61 01-13-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by alfie

My pleasure Humera!
The Sultan of Brunei and Queen Saleha and the royal family including their future son-in-law. First stop UK

oh okay. Why exactly are they going to the UK? shopping?

alfie · #62 01-13-2005, 03:44 AM

Yes! your are right Humera. They are going on a HUGE shopping spree for the next royal wedding!

Zina · #63 01-13-2005, 04:06 AM

So it's nearly confirmed then, the rumours of Princess Majeedah's forthcoming marriage. People have been talking for a while already, but I didn't like to pass comment, until it's absolutely confirmed from the Palace. I'm sure you remember the rumours about our Crown Prince from a couple years ago and his supposed "fiancee", right Alfie ?

Am I correct, in assuming that Princess Majeedah is to marry her 1st cousin then? I won't say who, in case it's not true...but if it is HIM...then I hope their future children are healthy and normal. Such close inbreeding, does not normally help the future bloodline. It is a shame she could not find someone outside the family. A beautiful girl like her, should not have to marry her cousin. I've also heard stories that he already had a long time girlfriend . Let's hope that it's all just gossip and it is a happy marriage for both of them.

Minnie · #64 01-13-2005, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zina

So it's nearly confirmed then, the rumours of Princess Majeedah's forthcoming marriage. People have been talking for a while already, but I didn't like to pass comment, until it's absolutely confirmed from the Palace. I'm sure you remember the rumours about our Crown Prince from a couple years ago and his supposed "fiancee", right Alfie ?

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Zina : What sort of "rumors" abt the crown prince before?

Zina · #65 01-13-2005, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Minnie

Zina : What sort of "rumors" abt the crown prince before?

I would rather not discuss it Minnie, since it's now ancient history and especially since the Crown Prince is happily married now. It would be disrespectful. Not to mention embarassing for the people involved, should they be reading.

**Humera** · #66 01-13-2005, 04:46 PM

so when the engagement is officially announced, will there be any ceremony to celebrate the occasion? or will it be like the Crown Prince's engagment and only official photos will be released?

Zina · #67 01-13-2005, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

so when the engagement is officially announced, will there be any ceremony to celebrate the occasion? or will it be like the Crown Prince's engagment and only official photos will be released?

In Brunei tradition, the couple are not engaged until just before the wedding. When the Crown Prince and Sarah's betrothal was announced, the couple were still not engaged! Because the engagement ceremony hadn't been carried out.

It's not like Western tradition - the couple will get engaged and then announce their wedding. The Prince and Sarah's actual engagement was about 2-3 weeks before the wedding. It is when the boy's representative asks the girls' rep. for her hand in marriage, and gifts are given.

So it will be the same with P. Majeedah, with just official photos released. And the engagement ceremony will take place shortly before the marriage ceremony.

alfie · #68 01-13-2005, 09:12 PM

Yes! Zina is exactly right. Thats why I said royal engagement announcement. It's announcing when they are to get engaged and all the other wedding details. Yeah! your right Zina it's her 1st cousin, well I can't really say why she choose to wed her cousin. But I am very certain that this royal couple is preparing wedding arrangements soon. We just have to wait patiently for the announcement :)

Minnie · #69 01-14-2005, 01:20 AM

Is it a practice of Brunei royal families to marry cousins - same bloodlines does weaken the stock you know.

Dear, I hope Princess Majeedah had a voice in the choice of a spouse. She is an attractive woman and I am sure there is no lack of suitors. Does the Brunei royals consider royalty of other nations - Jordan , Saudi, Malaysia etc.

Minnie · #70 01-14-2005, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Zina

So it's nearly confirmed then, the rumours of Princess Majeedah's forthcoming marriage. People have been talking for a while already, but I didn't like to pass comment, until it's absolutely confirmed from the Palace. I'm sure you remember the rumours about our Crown Prince from a couple years ago and his supposed "fiancee", right Alfie ?

Am I correct, in assuming that Princess Majeedah is to marry her 1st cousin then? I won't say who, in case it's not true...but if it is HIM...then I hope their future children are healthy and normal. Such close inbreeding, does not normally help the future bloodline. It is a shame she could not find someone outside the family. A beautiful girl like her, should not have to marry her cousin. I've also heard stories that he already had a long time girlfriend . Let's hope that it's all just gossip and it is a happy marriage for both of them.

I agree with you Zina on marrying close cousins and the ensuing problems especially in relation to carrying on the bloodlines and health of future offspring. I reckon that is one reason that Crown Prince Billah did not choose to marry someone in direct relation although Sarah's family, the paternal side is remotely related to the Sultante

Heard that CP Billah is acquainted to HRH Princess Sarah since she was 11 when they were introduced through mutual friend at his Coronation, is that true?

Zina · #71 01-14-2005, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Minnie

I agree with you Zina on marrying close cousins and the ensuing problems especially in relation to carrying on the bloodlines and health of future offspring. I reckon that is one reason that Crown Prince Billah did not choose to marry someone in direct relation although Sarah's family, the paternal side is remotely related to the Sultante

Heard that CP Billah is acquainted to HRH Princess Sarah since she was 11 when they were introduced through mutual friend at his Coronation, is that true?

Yes it is good that Prince Billah married someone not related to him. There are lots of interesting stories, but I am pretty certain that CP Billah only met Sarah a few months before the official engagement announcement. The announcement was on Saturday, May 15th, 2004. I dont know exactly how long they knew each other before that, but it wasn't more than a few months.

Zina · #72 01-14-2005, 03:05 AM

Apparently the Sultan's ex 2nd wife, Hjh Mariam did attend the Royal Wedding of the Year, but she wasn't seen in any published photos or on TV . She's not featured in any of the following either.

**Humera** · #73 01-14-2005, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Zina

Apparently the Sultan's ex 2nd wife, Hjh Mariam did attend the Royal Wedding of the Year, but she wasn't seen in any published photos or on TV . She's not featured in any of the following either.

thanx for those pics Zina.
I didnt think Princess Mariam attended the wedding. If she did, than it was a kind gesture on part of the Sultan, especially considering even his brother Jefri wasnt there.
The first and last picture, where princess Sarah is wearing red, I've seen pics of that event before but didnt see any pics of the Queen at the ceremony. Did she attend? or were the pictures taken before or after the ceremony?

Zina · #74 01-14-2005, 05:52 AM

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thanx for those pics Zina.
I didnt think Princess Mariam attended the wedding. If she did, than it was a kind gesture on part of the Sultan, especially considering even his brother Jefri wasnt there.
The first and last picture, where princess Sarah is wearing red, I've seen pics of that event before but didnt see any pics of the Queen at the ceremony. Did she attend? or were the pictures taken before or after the ceremony?

I assume the pictures were taken after the ceremony, because P. Sarah had a veil over her head when she was brought into that ceremony (the Berinai ceremony). In the picture her face is uncovered, so it must have been taken after everything was over. The Queen and other royals did attend, yes.

Zina · #75 01-14-2005, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Minnie

Is it a practice of Brunei royal families to marry cousins - same bloodlines does weaken the stock you know.

Dear, I hope Princess Majeedah had a voice in the choice of a spouse. She is an attractive woman and I am sure there is no lack of suitors. Does the Brunei royals consider royalty of other nations - Jordan , Saudi, Malaysia etc.

Yes Minnie, it is common practice that the Brunei Royals marry their cousins or close relative. The Sultan himself is married to his cousin, the Raja Isteri (or Queen). His brother Prince Mohammad married his cousin - who happens to be the Queen's sister. The Sultan's eldest daughter, Princess Rashidah married a relative, although he's not a 1st cousin. One of the Sultan's sisters, Princess Nor Ain was married to 1 of the Queen's brothers, who recently passed away. So they are all related somehow.

Only the Crown Prince Billah has broken with tradition, and married an outsider. Maybe this will start a trend of the next generation of Royals marrying outside the family. It's better for them if they do. And no, they would not consider Royals from other countries. Hasn't happened yet, anyway.

**Humera** · #76 01-14-2005, 05:20 PM

What about Malaysian royalty? Have Bruneian royals ever married members of the Malaysian royal family? The two families seem to be pretty close.

alfie · #77 01-14-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

What about Malaysian royalty? Have Bruneian royals ever married members of the Malaysian royal family? The two families seem to be pretty close.

They have been some consideration over the pass few years of Bruneian royals and Malaysian royals entering marriage but so far never has happened yet. They is a Bruneian lady married into one of the Malaysian royal family though. She is not from the Brunei royal family.

Puan Hjh Mariam (ex wife of Sultan) This is her name now Humera she has not been given princess title. During the crown prince wedding celebration she organised and paid for Anita Sarawak(Malaysian Singer) to come and perform for them at Istana Nurul Iman.

alfie · #78 01-14-2005, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zina

I assume the pictures were taken after the ceremony, because P. Sarah had a veil over her head when she was brought into that ceremony (the Berinai ceremony). In the picture her face is uncovered, so it must have been taken after everything was over. The Queen and other royals did attend, yes.

Sorry Zina but those pictures were not during the Berinai ceremony. There were during muleh 3 hari (3 days after bersanding ceremony) which the Sultan and the Queen was not present at the official ceremony. But other royal families did attend.

Zina · #79 01-14-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alfie

Sorry Zina but those pictures were not during the Berinai ceremony. There were during muleh 3 hari (3 days after bersanding ceremony) which the Sultan and the Queen was not present at the official ceremony. But other royal families did attend.

Thanks for the clarification Alfie. I remembered Sarah wore red also during Berinai, so that explains my mistake.

I must say though, that the light blue outfit is the best - it's more simple and less elaborate than her other outfits..much more tasteful.

**Humera** · #80 01-14-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alfie

They have been some consideration over the pass few years of Bruneian royals and Malaysian royals entering marriage but so far never has happened yet. They is a Bruneian lady married into one of the Malaysian royal family though. She is not from the Brunei royal family.

Puan Hjh Mariam (ex wife of Sultan) This is her name now Humera she has not been given princess title. During the crown prince wedding celebration she organised and paid for Anita Sarawak(Malaysian Singer) to come and perform for them at Istana Nurul Iman.

I thought the Sultan's ex-wife was allowed to keep the title. Thanx for the clarification. So is she still on good terms with the Sultan and the Queen?
by the way, do you have any idea why they divorced?