Vatican City State: Pope Francis accession, inauguration: March 2013-

[SoleS]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Can you post any official statements by (then Cardinal) pope Francis where he says he has no problem with civil unions between homosexuals or homosexuals adopting children?
Everything I've been able to find so far indicates the opposite.

First, thank you all for your kind words.
I think I wasn't clear enough due to my bad English, I'm sorry. He was in favour of civil unions back in 2002, when the civil union project was approved by the City of Buenos Aires.
At the same time, he is against homosexuals adopting children because he thinks it is a form of discrimination agains't the children since they won't be allowed to grow up having both a father and a mother (which is, thankfully, a position that most of the argentinians think is idiotic and outdated).
As far as official statements go, you won't find any. He didn't like to give interviews (you'll find 5 or 7 at the most since he was appointed archbishop of Buenos Aires) and, while in favour of civil unions, he didn't make any official statements since he knew the official position of the church in that aspect.
What I did find were some statements (only in Spanish, sorry) made by the people that talked with him about the subject when the civil union project was about to be approved by the parliament of the City of Buenos Aires.

“Bergoglio es de una gran apertura dentro de la Iglesiaâ€� | Internacional | EL PAÍS

Las polticas que buscaban consejo en el Papa Francisco - ABC.es

http://www.infonews.com/2013/03/14/p...no-en-roma.php

[Pranter]

Not a problem I have a SIL from South America, she can translate for me.

I thought as much though, nothing directly from pope Francis that I can find anywhere...at this point I'm not willing to accept that is his position based on second hand info. We've seen stuff like this before from/about Church officials and their positions and they turn out to not be exactly accurate.

I'll wait and see what he does and says now....but thanks for the reply!

[SoleS]

No problem :)

Since you have someone that can translate Spanish for you, you might like to peruse this: Clarín | Suplemento Especial - El Papa del fin del mundo
It's a special supplement made by an argentinian newspaper about the pope. It pretty much puts into paper what we argentinians already know about our archbishop of Buenos Aires (well..ex-archbishop now I guess :P) plus a few new things about his early history, but I guess it can be a good source of information for the rest of the world about the pope.

By the way, sure, it's second hand info. But, in my opinion, it's the truth. Back in 2002, as I remember, his silence spoke volumes. More so when in 2010 he opposed the civil marriage law, since many of us realised that, had he been against civil unions, he would not have hesitated to say so 8 years before.

[lucien]

This man captures everyone by his simplicity,openness,humour and off the cuff remarks..."Hey,I'm not promoting the books of my Cardinals hey.."...LOL... The man is like a breath of fresh air at a place where that was needed most!!!

Here in The Netherlands tuesdays Inauguration of HH Pope Francis will be aired starting at 09.00AM local time till 13.00PM on Ned2, GMT+1. Germany's ZDF has very much the same times.

St.Peter Square and the Via della Conciliazione yesterday,packed with an estimate 150.000

http://www.anpfoto.nl/search.pp?eventid=1462975

courtesy anp

[blauerengel]

Pope Francis is almost as joyfully and universally accepted as Barack Obama was when he came into office-hopefully he will have better luck than the US president and take the right steps to lead the church into the 21st century and give it a human attitude.
I thoroughly enjoyed his speech,he has a refreshing,candid way of talking that I find very good to listen to.

[melina premiere]

According the princely palace of monaco, the prince Albert of monaco and the princess Charlene of Monaco will be present to morrow

http://www.facebook.com/palaismonaco

[Elly C]

Some more details of Royals attending the inauguration

Hello magazine

[An Ard Ri]

So far we have

T.M.The King and Queen of Belgium
TRH The Grand Duke and Duchess of Luxembourg
TRH The Prince and Princess of Asturias
TRH The Prince of Orange and Crown Princess Maxima
TRH The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester
TSH The Prince and Princess of Monaco

I wonder if Liechtenstein,Sweden,Norway or Denmark will send anyone?

Of the non reigning houses,we might see some Italian,Portuguese,French,German and Austrian royals.

[lucien]

The Patriarch Bartholomew,leader of the Eastern-Orthodox Church will attend the Popes Inauguration tomorrow.It will be the first time since the Eastern Schism in 1154 that a Patriarch will attend this ceremony.

An indication the present Pontiff wishes to further improve relations between other denominations.Greek Orthodox hymns will be sung during tomorrows ceremony.Also representatives of the Jewish-,Islam-,Buddhism-,Sikh- and Jain communities will be in attendance.

[Kataryn]

I read he in his own understanding of being the "bishop of Rome" already contacted the Jewish and Muslim communities of Rome in order to introduce himself as the new Catholic "collegue". And of course mentioning Cardinal Walter Kaspar in his first Angelus-speech was an important point because it is known that he is close friends with Kasper who was the Catholic head of mission for for the wording of the ocumenical creed.

[An Ard Ri]

I read that last night,that's such a major step between the Eastern Church and Rome!

[BrazilianEmpire]

There are some talks, here in Brazil, that someone from the Imperial Family will attend.

As Prince Luiz, the Head of the Imperial House, isn't very well, he'll, probably, send his brother and heir, Prince Bertrand, the Prince Imperial, or maybe Prince Antônio and Princess Christine.

Or, maybe, the Lignes will attend, representing the Imperial Family.

[NGalitzine]

Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, banned from traveling most places, apparently has a pass to attend tomorrow.

[An Ard Ri]

H.H.The Pope gives Argentine president book about Church Social Doctrine

Pope gives Argentine president book about Church Social Doctrine - YouTube

Laughs and good mood for meeting between Pope and Argentine president

Laughs and good mood for meeting between Pope and Argentine president - YouTube

[An Ard Ri]

The title of this thread is 'Pope Francis accession, inauguration: March 2013' and not personal opinions on the Catholic Church or the Pope.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

So far we have

T.M.The King and Queen of Belgium
TRH The Grand Duke and Duchess of Luxembourg
TRH The Prince and Princess of Asturias
TRH The Prince of Orange and Crown Princess Maxima
TRH The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester
TSH The Prince and Princess of Monaco

I wonder if Liechtenstein,Sweden,Norway or Denmark will send anyone?

Of the non reigning houses,we might see some Italian,Portuguese,French,German and Austrian royals.

The duke of Parma will also attend the ceremony.

[Jacknch]

An Ard Ri, could you be more specific regarding "personal opinions about the Pope"? Can observations and references be made about him or is it restricted to the technical aspects of the papal accession and inauguration?
Thanks

[cepe]

Originally Posted by Jacknch

An Ard Ri, could you be more specific regarding "personal opinions about the Pope"? Can observations and references be made about him or is it restricted to the technical aspects of the papal accession and inauguration?
Thanks

Further to this question, is there a thread where these aspects can be discussed, or is the preference not to get into a serious religious debate - and the potential issues that can bring?

EDIT: (sorry hit button too soon). My view is this site is not for religious discussion etc. This is a Royal website and should stay as such.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Jacknch

An Ard Ri, could you be more specific regarding "personal opinions about the Pope"? Can observations and references be made about him or is it restricted to the technical aspects of the papal accession and inauguration?
Thanks

If ever in doubt the Forum rules should act as your guide for posting,remember this is not a religious forum and really this thread should be about the current Pope's current events.So long as posts don't go off topic and don't turn into a religious debate as they can turn nasty.This forum is not the place for such discussions.

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[BrazilianEmpire]

Seems that Princess Amélia will be representing the Brazilian Imperial Family tomorrow.