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Old 03-19-2013, 06:36 PM
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It seems that the prince of Orange was escorted to his seat by the Frst of Windisch-Graetz (the one who is married to Archduchess Sophie of Austria):

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Old 03-19-2013, 06:38 PM
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The dress code for todays event seemed all over the map or rather no dress code at all. Men in uniforms, white tie, morning coats and business suits. Women in long white, short white, black dresses and day dresses.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:52 PM
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I would think that Princess Charlene's choice in dress for for this would bring into question whether or not she really has the privilege du blanc. Monaco is not a country that traditionally has it, as the Prince of Monaco is not a Catholic Monarch (Rex Catholicissimus), meaning that female monarchs and consorts of Monaco don't typically hold that privilege. It could just be that when she wore white in January it was a blunder that they covered up - she could have been wearing white because she was choosing not to adhere to traditional, formal dress when meeting the pope, much like Mary Robinson wore green or Cherie Blair wore white - and this time round she's learned from her blunder and played it safe.
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I would have thought the statement released by The Vatican Press Office in January would have put any doubts to rest. If The Vatican says she has the right to wear white that should be sufficient for anyone. Having the privilege du blanc does not however mean that you are required to wear white everytime you visit The Vatican.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:29 PM
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Charlene of Monaco is in black,now I'm confused
Me too. Hopelessly confused . . . if she has the privilege du blanc surely she should be wearing white?
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:33 PM
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She doesn't have to wear white, she just has the right to wear white if she wants to.


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Old 03-19-2013, 09:34 PM
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Fair enough. Looking at the dress code, both male and female, has been enough to convince me that within the bounds of good manners, anything goes. Men we would expect in uniform, not so, white tie, also not. Women in long dresses, not so and women in white also not so.

So, having totally failed the intricacies of the Vatican Dress Code, I guess we would be better advised to turn ourselves from fashion which is fun, to the more solemn and auspicious occasion itself which has provided more than enough "differences" and tradition to remark upon.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:37 PM
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There is a dress code if one is going to the Vatican for Mass but it has to do with modest clothing not the formality/color etc.


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Old 03-19-2013, 09:46 PM
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The Pope has such a kind smile, I wish him well.

I too wondered who the blonde next to margarita of Lichtenstien and Felix of Lux was.
Also, I just LOVE the guards' outfits!
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:40 PM
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There is a dress code if one is going to the Vatican for Mass but it has to do with modest clothing not the formality/color etc.

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As per Wikipedia: "Vatican protocol for papal audiences formerly required formal dresses; long-sleeved, formal black garments and black mantilla for women, and white ties and tails for men." The exception, of course, being those with the privilege du blanc.

There is a dress code for such an event, it simply hasn't been enforced since the 80s and is now viewed as optional - resulting in a hodgepodge of attair, such as we saw here.
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I gather there were no invitations sent, so no dress code specified on an invitation. Those who wished to attend or be represented merely informed The Vatican of their intention.
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:47 PM
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i have seen this picture of maxima talking to the argentinian president. it looks like the two women are happy to see each other.

i am most impressed. i can hardly imagine maxima agreeing with any of cristina fernandez's policies on how to govern argentina. maybe just protocolar etiquette?

http://www.ppe-agency.com/500px/Mar2013/PPE13031952.jpg
Why shouldn't she? Being a Queen, Maxima will have to interact with different Dutch Prime Ministers from different political parties. It'll be her duty as the King's wife to accompany and support him in this task. It's not only etiquette. Why shouldn't she do the same with a President of a foreign country (a woman) that's been democratically elected? And who is the Head of State of the country where she was born? We don't know how many things these two women have in common but I know that they know what they have to do in this cases and to do it properly. Besides that, there's now a Pope born in Argentina, they both were very moved and that was quite a thing to have in common.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:50 AM
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It seems that the prince of Orange was escorted to his seat by the Frst of Windisch-Graetz (the one who is married to Archduchess Sophie of Austria):

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The Frst Mariano Hugo Winditsch-Graetz is one of the Princes in Attendance during Grand Ceremonies at The Vatican.He is married to a Archduchess Habsburg and lives in Caserta.His eldest son,Alexis,died a few years ago in an accident and is interred at the Teutonic cemetary near St.Peter Square.

Some more Princes & Princesses & a King & Queen in attendance yesterday:

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I gather there were no invitations sent, so no dress code specified on an invitation. Those who wished to attend or be represented merely informed The Vatican of their intention.
Indeed,no invitations were send,just all the Embassies received notice of the Papal Inauguration and then it was/is all up to the respective countries if and whom they send.To The Vatican ALL are welcome,regardless.
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I think some kind of invitations/confirmation was. Vatican needed to know how many places to prepare, how to arrange guests, etc.
So Vatican could specify dress code.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:14 AM
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I would imagine that there was a certain level of communication as to who was coming and whatnot and those who attended on behalf of their nation or government would be in the know enough to check out what is protocol as far as dress for this kind of thing.

I also have a gut feeling that the last person that would notice any kind of a faux pas would be Pope Francis. I would guess that if it was left up to him, the Inaugural Mass would have been on the simplest level as possible. He just seems like that kind of a guy.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:24 AM
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I gather there were no invitations sent, so no dress code specified on an invitation. Those who wished to attend or be represented merely informed The Vatican of their intention.
That is correct

"The Vatican says it did not issue invitations for the inauguration on Tuesday of Pope Francis - Latin America's first pontiff - who was elected by a secret conclave last Wednesday. But representatives of world governments are welcome to attend."

"The Holy See informs everyone that this event is taking place. There are no invitations. There are no privileges and no one is refused. While one country may have problems with someone else, we invite no one. This must be made clear,"

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Old 03-20-2013, 06:47 AM
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As per Wikipedia: "Vatican protocol for papal audiences..."
I was not talking about papal audiences.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:25 AM
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You can see the Duke on picture 49 of the Zimbio gallery.

I wonder whether Princess Charlene wore black because of the solemnity of the occassion / because it was a Mass and chooses White for an official visit or meeting with the Pope?
She could have worn black as it is Lent. As simple as that.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:04 AM
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I would imagine that there was a certain level of communication as to who was coming and whatnot and those who attended on behalf of their nation or government would be in the know enough to check out what is protocol as far as dress for this kind of thing.

I also have a gut feeling that the last person that would notice any kind of a faux pas would be Pope Francis. I would guess that if it was left up to him, the Inaugural Mass would have been on the simplest level as possible. He just seems like that kind of a guy.

Thats true,I agree with you and that is also one of the reasons why I like him that much-he is a very modest,down-to-the earth person without pomp and ostentation.

The last pope wore the hermelin papal accessoires which look like stuff that the royals of the middle ages wore-too expensive and also fur is not necessary because we have pretty fake fur nowadays and it was not cold.
He didnt wear it all the times,but still it was not a good gesture IMO,fur should only be worn in extremely cold regions like Russia were it is needed,not for reasons of vanity and fashion.

Pope Francis is in that way following Francis from Assisis teachings who lived like a pauper and didnt hord any valuables because he wanted to live like Jesus Christ who was a poor man, a working man who was doing a lot for people in need,sick and poor
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Perfect Royals Monarchs and Crown-princes , dress code correct for "blanc" and black.
I noticed that my King is enable now to kneel down and feel sorry
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