The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Join The Royal Forums Today
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 04-01-2014, 12:24 PM
MarcosFenn's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Pickering, Canada
Posts: 78
The Reigning Co-Princes of Andorra

So what of the reigning Co-Princes of Andorra, the landlocked, mountainous Principality in in the Pyrenees, between the borders of France and Spain?
Some scrutiny of the rôle of the Co-Princes is worthwhile.

The Co-Princes of Andorra most certainly exist, and have done since the Middle Ages. The function of Co-Princes is shared by the Spanish Bishop of Urgel and the President of the French Republic: in the Middle Ages, one of the Co-Princes was the Count of Foix, the castle of whom still looms over the town of Foix, in neighbouring Ariège department; subsequently the King of France assumed the responsibility of Co-Prince, as did later the French President.

It could be said that, prior to constitutional changes in the late 20th century, Andorra's situation was comparable to a condominium between France and Spain (although this term did not tell the whole story).

Today, the country's legislature, however, amounts to a sovereign parliament, which acknowledges the shared sovereignty of the Co-Princes, the powers of which are exercised through representatives.

Interestingly, in 1934, when more of a condominium-type of arrangement existed, Andorra's legislature briefly experimented with a monarch called Boris I, but, being then more of a territorial legislature rather than a sovereign parliament, the legislature - the Casa de la Vall - was overruled by the Co-Princes, who never agreed to the ascent of Boris, deposed after a few days.

Another extraordinary fact in relation to the Co-Princes of Andorra is that their situation is analogous to that of the Co-Princes of San Marino, another small, European state. (However, the Co-Princes of San Marino are native Sammarinese, rather than co-sovereign individuals ordinarily resident beyond the country's borders). While San Marino designates itself as a Republic, Andorra is known as a Principality.

The Co-Princes of Andorra are thus not dynastic (unless one accepts that the idea of perceived apostolic succession within the Bishop of Urgel's religious position - under the exigencies of male celibacy - itself represents some kind of more obscurely defined dynasty, for one of the Co-Princes, at least).

Some of concepts inherent in the exercise of sovereignty by the Andorran Co-Princes might thus be regarded by many North Americans as somewhat unusual.

Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 01:42 PM
Pranter's Avatar
Heir Apparent
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 4,501
The husband and I have talked about moving abroad after he retires and Andorra is a place we have looked at (online) along with Malta.


Reply With Quote
Old 04-01-2014, 10:52 PM
MarcosFenn's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Pickering, Canada
Posts: 78
Originally Posted by Pranter View Post
The husband and I have talked about moving abroad after he retires and Andorra is a place we have looked at (online) along with Malta.

I hope your retirement plans work out for you and your husband. I don't think that Andorra's desirability as tax haven (for example) has much to do with the fact that its form of government is a Principality: countries such as Switzerland and Uruguay have been favorable for foreign investors or residents, while their forms of government are firmly republican.

(What you might want to recall also is that Malta has a busy international airport; but Andorra has a heliport with more limited connections. This might have a bearing if for example people needed to travel a great distance at short notice for family reasons.)
Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2014, 07:21 AM
Pranter's Avatar
Heir Apparent
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 4,501
We don't have that much money that we need to move to a country for tax purposes :)

We are going more on quality of life, the people/society, ability as a American to be able to live there etc etc

I lean toward Malta at this point.

Reply With Quote
Old 04-22-2014, 05:43 PM
MarcosFenn's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Pickering, Canada
Posts: 78
It is indeed interesting that, like, Andorra, San Marino has Captains-Regent, similar to Andorra's Co-Princes, but, unlike Andorra, is designated a Republic.
Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2014, 09:42 PM
CyrilVladisla's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Conneaut, United States
Posts: 2,802
Isabella of Foix and Catherine of Navarre are listed as Countesses of Foix.
Does this mean that the Salic Law was not included in succession rights?
Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2015, 06:19 AM
An Ard Ri's Avatar
Super Moderator
Royal Blogger
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: An Iarmhí, Ireland
Posts: 17,442
Catherine I of Navarre was the Queen Regnant of Navarre 1483 until 1517 and also Duchess of Gandia, Montblanc, and Peñafiel, Countess of Foix, Bigorre, and Ribagorza, and Viscountess of Béarn in her own right.The Kingdom of Navarre did not follow the Salic Law regarding the royal succession,there had been 3 or 4 regnant queens before her.

Isabelle de Foix succeeded her brother as Countess of Foix; Viscountess of Béarn, Marsan, Bruilhois, Gabardan, Nébouzan, Lautrec, Terres-Basses d'Albigeois & Co-Princess of Andorra in 1398.From what I understand Salic Law only forbade women for the line of Royal succession.
5th of July 1554:
Birth of Elisabeth of Austria, Queen of France
Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2017, 02:57 PM
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Paris, France
Posts: 155
The prospect of a new co-prince got me thinking: if Andorra were to decide that it had had enough of someone else's elected president being its co-prince and that it wanted to recognise the Count of Foix as its French co-prince, who would the current claimant be? The title was united with the French crown but before this there were female co-princesses of Andorra, and therefore succession through the female line.....
Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2017, 11:47 PM
doric44's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: toronto, Canada
Posts: 154
i always found Andorra and its co-princes situation interesting. always wondered what if some tech billionaire wanted to buy the titles. and become the head of state like offer the Bishop of Urgel and the President of the French Republic like $500 million each idk something like that would it even be possible
Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2017, 10:45 AM
eya eya is online now
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 7,852
Emmannuel Makron , Co-Prince of Andorra to visit the principality next year in celebration of Andorra’s constitutional jubilee.

Macron, Co-Prince of Andorra, to visit principality next year – Royal Central

Reply With Quote

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Prince of Andorra? ff462 Royal Families of France 6 06-10-2012 03:47 AM
Reigning Queens Greeting Each Other DDD Royal Life and Lifestyle 4 07-08-2007 03:49 AM

Popular Tags
albania autographs belgian state visit to japan best gown september 2016 best outfit birthday crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion david armstrong-jones denmark duchess of cambridge duke of cambridge dutch fashion poll jewels king abdullah ii king carl gustaf and queen silvia king philip king willem-alexander liechtenstein lists margherita meme monarchy monarchy versus republic murder new zealand norway november 2016 october 2016 palaces picture of the week pierre casiraghi prince charles prince leka prince of wales princess marie style princess mary princess mary fashion princess sofia princess sofia's daytime fashion queen elizabeth ii queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia cocktail dresses queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia eveningwear queen letizia fashion queen letizia gowns queen letizia suits queen mathilde queen mathilde daytime fashion queen mathilde fashion queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania queen rania fashion september 2016 state visit succession sweden the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats uae wildlife

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities

Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:04 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017
Jelsoft Enterprises