Royalty of Malaysia 1: September 2004-October 2006

cutie · #1 09-15-2004, 08:56 PM

Please share any pictures and recent news of Royal Families in Malaysia.

Ephram · #2 09-21-2004, 10:55 PM

One picture from the Installation of the 12th Yang Di-Pertuan Agong of Malaysia on 25th Apr 2002

cutie · #3 09-22-2004, 12:30 AM

Hi Ephram,
I am interested in anything about Malaysian royalty.

1) is the current king doing a good job? is he popular?
2) how does the rotation system work? would there be a chance that one sultan can become king twice in his lifetime?
3) is the sultan of malaysia allowed to have many wives like the sultan of brunei?
4) when the sultan of selagnor passed away, who took his place. i noticed that his wife is still a sultana.
5) why does the malaysian royalty seldom attend weddings in europe?
6) does the sultan of the eight states get together often for goverment events?
7) of all the sultans, which is the most/lease popular?
8) do the people of brunei and malaysian think the crown prince of brunei made a good choice of his new bride?

i know i have many questions, but there is not much info on the web. thank you very much!

**Humera** · #4 09-22-2004, 11:49 PM

Malaysian royals in Italy June 10 , 2003

King Yang Di-Pertuan Agong & Queen Raja Permaisuri

Ephram · #5 09-24-2004, 11:15 AM

Wow! Cutie. It seems that you are very interested in Malaysian royalty. Alright, I'll try to answer your questions kay...:-

(1) The current King, His Majesty Tuanku Syed Sirajuddin is a good King of Malaysia. He is the twelth Yang Di-Pertuan Agong. He is a very down to earth monarch, quite religious and humble. He is of the descendant of the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W from his grandson, Hussin Bin Ali R.A. He's very popular but he himself (from my viewpoint-keep in low profile) but very well-respected by Malaysians and other people. He always keep in touch with all of us here in Malaysia and very dedicated in carrying out his duties.

(2) In every 5 years, there'll be changing of Yang Di-Pertuan Agong (or Supreme Ruler of Malaysia) in a Special Conference of Malay Rulers. All the nine rulers deserve to be selected as Yang Di-Pertuan Agong. The Deputy of Yang Di-Pertuan Agong cannot be automatically selected as Yang Di-Pertuan Agong upon the passing or the resignation of the previous one-every Sultan must be selected in that conference. So far no Sultan is selected twice.

(3) Yes, of course but usually only one who will become his consort

(4) The former Sultan of Selangor, Almarhum HRH Sultan Salahuddin passed away on Nov 21, 2001 at 11.57am. His son, the present Sultan Sharafudin Idris Shah replaced him. No news on Almarhum's wife, Tuanku Siti Aishah after his passing. The present Sultan of Selangor still has no consort on the throne.

(5) This is also the question which has always been stucked in my mind. I also do not know the answer, Cutie. However I have one assumption- maybe because they are not very well-known among European royalty or because there are 9 royal families in Malaysia so, that makes European royals very difficult to decide which one has to be invited to their wedding events. However, it's worth noting here that all the 9 Sultans of Malaysia did attend the coronation of HM Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.

(6) Not always. Sometimes only at least two of them might be gathering in one government event eg. the recent National Day was attended by Yang Di-Pertuan Agong and Sultan of Pahang simultaneously. All the nine Sultans will get together when they have Royal Banquets.

(7) It depends on how you look at them in term of their popularity. However in my opinion, the less popular are Sultan of Kelantan and Sultan of Kedah but in many occassion they are still very popular though. The most popular is Sultan of Pahang.

(8) Yes, he has made a good choice of his new bride

I suggest you see these webs:-

(i) www.rajakita.org.my
(ii) www.infofoto.org.bn

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Originally Posted by cutie

Hi Ephram,
I am interested in anything about malaysian royalty.
1) is the current king doing a good job? is he popular?
2) how does the rotation system work? would there be a chance that one sultan can become king twice in his lifetime?
3) is the sultan of malaysia allowed to have many wives like the sultan of brunei?
4) when the sultan of selagnor passed away, who took his place. i noticed that his wife is still a sultana.
5) why does the malaysian royalty seldom attend weddings in europe?
6) does the sultan of the eight states get together often for goverment events?
7) of all the sultans, which is the most/lease popular?
8) do the people of brunei and malaysian think the crown prince of brunei made a good choice of his new bride?
i know i have many questions, but there is not much info on the web. thank you very much!

**Humera** · #6 09-25-2004, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ephram

(1) The current King, His Majesty Tuanku Syed Sirajuddin is a good King of Malaysia. He is the twelth Yang Di-Pertuan Agong. He is a very down to earth monarch, quite religious and humble. He is of the descendant of the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W from his grandson, Hussin Bin Ali R.A. He's very popular but he himself (from my viewpoint-keep in low profile) but very well-respected by Malaysians and other people. He always keep in touch with all of us here in Malaysia and very dedicated in carrying out his duties.

I have a question, how is the King a descendant of the Prophet (SAW)? I know he doesnt really have to be an Arab but still, Im curious.
I have noticed that a lot of muslim monarchs make this claim, and I have a hard time believing all of them. The reason I ask is that there are also non-royal muslim families all over the world who make this claim too. It seems wrong to exploit the name of the Prophet (SAW)

galuhcandrakirana · #7 09-30-2004, 07:49 AM

I found one of Malaysia Sultana photo she looks young and beautiful...is anybody know about her, I interest to know more about her, thanks

cutie · #8 09-30-2004, 02:02 PM

This sultana is the wife of the sultan of selagnor that passed away a few years ago when he was king. She was queen of malaysia for a few years. She was his second or third wife and did not have any children.

galuhcandrakirana · #9 09-30-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cutie

This sultana is the wife of the sultan of selagnor that passed away a few years ago when he was king. She was queen of malaysia for a few years. She was his second or third wife and did not have any children.

Thanks Cutie..since prince mukhtadee wedding I really interest with royal family in south east Asia....About the young queen...was his past husband passed away in young age? do you have any websites or link about them. Was she the only wife of the last king or just one of many king's wifes?, thanks

Ephram · #10 09-30-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by galuhcandrakirana

I found one of Malaysia Sultana photo she looks young and beautiful...is anybody know about her, I interest to know more about her, thanks

Her name is Tuanku Hajjah Siti Aishah. She is now holding no position in Selangor royal family. She is the fourth wife of Almarhum Sultan Salahuddin, the 11th Yang Di-Pertuan Agong of Malaysia.

Ephram · #11 09-30-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*~Humera~*~

I have a question, how is the King a descendant of the Prophet (SAW)? I know he doesnt really have to be an Arab but still, I'm curious.
I have noticed that a lot of muslim monarchs make this claim, and I have a hard time believing all of them. The reason I ask is that there are also non-royal muslim families all over the world who make this claim too. It seems wrong to exploit the name of the Prophet (SAW)

The descendant of His Majesty The King can truly and undisputedly be traced back to Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. All Malaysians know about this from the very beginning. It was publicly declared by the media especially on the eve of the installation of the King. I remember on the day after the installation I went to the National Museum to see the exhibition on the new King in 2002 and I managed to see the geneology of Perlis Royal Family. Both his mother and father are descended from the Prophet. Kindly see this page (in Malay):-
http://www.perlisroyalty.gov.my/bm/s...amalullail.htm
I believe this is true because I have read a very authorised book which explains the geneology of Malay rulers including Brunei and some Indonesian royal families which can be traced back to the Prophet (the book is written in Malay, if anybody interested I can give the title,the year of publication and the author). The evidence is solid.

It is up to you to believe this or not. However fact is fact. Don't make generalisation that all who claim that they are descended from Prophet are fake. I admit that some are just using titles and claim that they are the offspring of the Prophet including non-royals in order to make a lot of profit from them. This is what we call exploitation. However never forget that there are the genuine descendants of the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.

**Humera** · #12 10-01-2004, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ephram

The descendant of His Majesty The King can truly and undisputedly be traced back to Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. All Malaysians know about this from the very beginning. It was publicly declared by the media especially on the eve of the installation of the King. I remember on the day after the installation I went to the National Museum to see the exhibition on the new King in 2002 and I managed to see the geneology of Perlis Royal Family. Both his mother and father are descended from the Prophet. Kindly see this page (in Malay):-
http://www.perlisroyalty.gov.my/bm/s...amalullail.htm
I believe this is true because I have read a very authorised book which explains the geneology of Malay rulers including Brunei and some Indonesian royal families which can be traced back to the Prophet (the book is written in Malay, if anybody interested I can give the title,the year of publication and the author). The evidence is solid.

It is up to you to believe this or not. However fact is fact. Don't make generalisation that all who claim that they are descended from Prophet are fake. I admit that some are just using titles and claim that they are the offspring of the Prophet including non-royals in order to make a lot of profit from them. This is what we call exploitation. However never forget that there are the genuine descendants of the Prophet Muhammad S.A.W.

I didnt make generalizations. I merely asked a question, that is not forbidden is it? I try not to take things in as they're presented. You wont believe how many people have family trees showing them to be descendants of the Prophet. With respect to the malaysian monarchy or the bruneian etc,we're talking about descent over a period of almost 1500 years so there's never any certainty involved, no matter how many books are written on it or how many family trees are constructed. Anyway, I dont call the claim right or wrong. I was just curious. There's no need for you to take it so personally.

galuhcandrakirana · #13 10-01-2004, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ephram

Her name is Tuanku Hajjah Siti Aishah. She is now holding no position in Selangor royal family. She is the fourth wife of Almarhum Sultan Salahuddin, the 11th Yang Di-Pertuan Agong of Malaysia.

Thanks Ephram, I still have little confused about her position as "She was the fourth wife of the Sultan", does it mean she was the only wife of Sultan from his fourth marriage or the Sultan had three other wives beside of her? (sorry for asking, my native language confused me in translating this) I know Brunei Sultan used to have two wives but I don't know if in Malaysia the king (or also normal person?) allows to do polygamy. If the sultan has more than one wives which one usually will hold Queen position, or all of them will become queen and share the queen job togheter. Thanks.

Ephram · #14 10-02-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by galuhcandrakirana

Thanks Ephram, I still have little confused about her position as "She was the fourth wife of the Sultan", does it mean she was the only wife of Sultan from his fourth marriage or the Sultan had three other wives beside of her? (sorry for asking, my native language confused me in translating this) I know Brunei Sultan used to have two wives but I don't know if in Malaysia the king (or also normal person?) allows to do polygamy. If the sultan has more than one wives which one usually will hold Queen position, or all of them will become queen and share the queen job togheter. Thanks.

Hi, Ms. Galuhcandrakirana. I'm sorry for replying quite late since the computer I'm using not working very well lately. Anyway, your questions are indeed very interesting. Alright, let me try to answer them. No, she is not the only wife of Almarhum the Sultan. She is the very last wife of Almarhum Sultan Salahuddin. For your information:-

(1) His first wife is known presently as Yang Maha Mulia Paduka Bonda Raja Selangor Raja Saidatul Ihsan Binti Tengku Badar Shah. She was divorced by Almarhum. She is the mother of the current Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah of Selangor.

(2) His second wife is Cik Puan Maheran

(3) His third wife, (his first official consort that I ever managed to meet once) is the late Duli Yang Maha Mulia Tengku Ampuan Rahimah Binti Tengku Abdul Aziz from the Sultanate of Langkat, Sumatera

(4) Tuanku Siti Aishah, former Tuanku Permaisuri of Selangor cum the 11th Raja Permaisuri Agong of Malaysia.

As far as I concern, Almarhum (the late) Sultan married them one by one and not simultaneously.

Every Muslim men in Malaysia, acc to Sharia law is allowed to practise polygamy and very welcomed to marry more than one up to four women. This rule apply to all regardless of royal or commoner as long as they can afford to do so. Examples of Sultan who has more than one wife is the present Sultan of Kedah and the late Sultan Mahmud Almuktafi Billah of Terengganu.

In case of more than one wife, usually the wife who is purely of the royal blood will be chosen to sit on the throne as Consort. However, in the absence of wife among the royal blood, the wife (from among commoner) can hold the position of Consort but usually cannot use the title "Raja Perempuan" as it is exclusively and strictly for royal blood women only. Instead, she may be given titles like Sultanah, Raja Permaisuri or Tuanku Permaisuri- but these titles are equally meant for Consort.

Unlike in Brunei, there is no sharing position in Malaysia. There should be one Sultan and one Consort on the throne. That's the usual custom. Thank you.

Ephram · #15 10-02-2004, 08:16 AM

Tuanku Siti Aishah

galuhcandrakirana · #16 10-03-2004, 04:16 AM

Ephram, thanks so much for the explanation, its really interesting...Every part of the world has different culture and tradition and I respect it. If you have some website about Malaysian Royalty could you please to post it here. Thanks

Ephram · #17 10-04-2004, 10:02 PM

You may try these links

www.rajakita.org.my
http://www.perlisroyalty.gov.my

Ephram · #18 10-04-2004, 10:32 PM

According to a news I heard from national radio in Malaysia this morning, the last son of HM Queen Elizabeth II, HRH Prince Edward will arrive in Malaysia for 5 day visit today. He has been scheduled to have a courtesy audience with DYMM Yang Di-Pertuan Agong and Deputy Prime Minister.
I remember last time he visited Malaysia when Yang DiPertuan Besar Negeri Sembilan was still the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong.Here is the news on local newspaper, The Star:-

Prince Edward arrives for five-day visit

PETALING JAYA: Prince Edward, youngest son of Queen Elizabeth II, is due here today to attend the Asia-Pacific regional meeting and training workshop of the Duke of Edinburgh International Award Scheme.

The prince, in his capacity as the Earl of Wessex, is expected to pay a courtesy call on the Yang di-Pertuan Agong, Tuanku Syed Sirajuddin Syed Putra Jamalullail, during his five-day visit here. Prince Edward, who is chairman of the board of the Duke of Edinburgh Awards International Association, will deliver a keynote address on Meeting the Minds of Young People - New Directions in the Award Programme at a gala dinner.

Ephram · #19 10-23-2004, 01:22 PM

Kelantan abuzz with talk of royal wedding

KOTA BARU: The state is abuzz with talk of the impending royal wedding which will see the Tengku Mahkota marrying a 24-year-old Thai woman.

Tengku Muhammad Faris: Met Kangsadal two years ago at a wedding.
Kangsadal Pipitpakdee will be known as Tengku Zubaidah after marrying Tengku Muhammad Faris Petra ibni Sultan Ismail Petra. They will tie the knot in a grand ceremony at the Kelantan palace on Nov 15.

The palace is said to have invited 15,000 guests, including Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.
The prince is next in line to the Kelantan throne.
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