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Old 07-04-2015, 05:27 PM
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Anyone from the British royal family were in attendance?
No, and it was a disgrace. Tonga is, after all, a Commonwealth country. Also, as a friend said, British TV has never even mentioned the coronation in their news broadcasts.
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Old 07-04-2015, 05:32 PM
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Tonga is a Commonwealth country and the coronation of the new King they send no one? WOW
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Old 07-04-2015, 05:36 PM
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As far as I read, none of the 'major' Royal Houses sent anyone, except for Japan. So it's nothing extraordinary that there are no British Royals.
Tonga is a Commonwealth country so common courtesy would demand that a member of the British royal family be there and Queen Salote was the only reigning monarch to attend Queen Elizabeth's coronation.

There were other Polynesian royals in attendance including the Maori King and, although not mentioned this time, the Kings of Uvea, Sigave and Alo attended the last two coronations and presumably attended this one.
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Old 07-04-2015, 05:38 PM
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Tonga is a Commonwealth country and the coronation of the new King they send no one? WOW
The Windsors are fast gaining a reputation as an anti-social lot.
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I was a bit surprised that nobody from the British Royal Family was there, given the Queen's enthusiasm for the Commonwealth. I wonder why the Ao o le Malo of Samoa and his wife were given such a position of honour in the church? It's almost as if his traditional royal titles are more important in Polynesia than that of Head of State (Ao o le Malo). The Ao o le Malo also defied the general formality of the dress code by choosing something plain and comfortable. I didn't spot the Maori King or his son.
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Old 07-04-2015, 10:11 PM
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I have a feeling that the Windsors are facing intense scrutiny over their travel expenses. The last time the Gloucesters attended the Coronation of his Late Majesty King Siaosi Tupou V, the costs to send them was significant.

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As far as I read, none of the 'major' Royal Houses sent anyone, except for Japan. So it's nothing extraordinary that there are no British Royals.
You have raised a good point but Tonga is part of the Commonwealth, so it would've made more sense for Britain to send a royal representative.
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Old 07-05-2015, 07:15 PM
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I was mistaken about the Queen Mother's crown. I've seen a close up of her in the church and she is not wearing a new crown but the one with which she was crowned.
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The Maori King was wearing insignia from his newly minted honours system that he introduced last year at his annual coronation commemoration ceremonies. I can't be sure which one he is wearing, but as it contains his coat of arms in the design (Te Paki o Matariki) I can only assume this is the Order of King Potatau (The First Maori King) which is reserved for Heads of State, Foreign Monarchs and one would presume the head of the Kiingitanga.



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No, and it was a disgrace. Tonga is, after all, a Commonwealth country. Also, as a friend said, British TV has never even mentioned the coronation in their news broadcasts.

Now that surprises me!
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The Maori King was wearing insignia from his newly minted honours system that he introduced last year at his annual coronation commemoration ceremonies. I can't be sure which one he is wearing, but as it contains his coat of arms in the design (Te Paki o Matariki) I can only assume this is the Order of King Potatau (The First Maori King) which is reserved for Heads of State, Foreign Monarchs and one would presume the head of the Kiingitanga.



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Does his wife have the title of Queen?
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Now that surprises me!
It doesn't surprise me. They tend not to report foreign royal occasions or just give them a few seconds at the end of a news broadcast. It's seems that they think that the people in British are only interested in the Windsors. Someone told me that a few years ago she wrote to the BBC complaining about the lack of a report on the death of King Olav of Norway and received a reply saying that they didn't believe that the British people were interested in Foreign royalty. Even when they do have a report they can be very condescending. When newspapers carry reports of a state visit by a foreign monarch they tend to use capital letters when referring to the Queen or Prince Philip or Prince Charles and low case when refereeing to the visiting monarch, as in king, or queen. I once askes a journalist why this was and he said journalists were told to do that and when I asked why he said "it's because they're not real royalty." Sadly, that seems to be a view held by many in Britain.
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Does his wife have the title of Queen?
No. Interestingly, being consort to the monarch doesn't automatically grant you a title either. Makau Ariki in essence means, wife to the Paramount Leader. The reason being is that the position is voted in by the heads of leading families of leading tribes who debate in secret the candidates and then confirm the next head of the Kiingitanga or the King Movement. Therefore, the office is a stewardship of the position and all it represents, not the continuity of a specific lineage. At the enthronement the people confirm their support and then vocally support a title amoungst three presented to them. King and Queen are reserved exclusivley for the Monarch.

Although there is no crown prince, their oldest son has been granted two titles. Ariki Tamaroa (an old title indicating the oldest son of a high ranking leader - the feminine being Ariki Tapairu) and Te Whirinaki o Te Kiingi, a title previously conferred on the brother of Kiingi Mahuta who represented The King at traditional functions when he sat in the Legislative Council (the then upper house of the NZ Parliament - functioned on similar lines to the House of Lords in the UK).

The royal family as a whole are referred to as Te Kahui Ariki.

Sorry for the long winded essay...I got carried away.
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'Not real royalty'. Did this Journalist forget the Windsors teutonic roots and Queen Victorias nickname 'grandmother of Europe'? It's one huge family lol
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It doesn't surprise me. They tend not to report foreign royal occasions or just give them a few seconds at the end of a news broadcast. It's seems that they think that the people in British are only interested in the Windsors. Someone told me that a few years ago she wrote to the BBC complaining about the lack of a report on the death of King Olav of Norway and received a reply saying that they didn't believe that the British people were interested in Foreign royalty.
The BBC did report though on the recent abdications of Queen Beatrix, King Albert II and King Juan Carlos, and on the respective investitures of King Willem-Alexander, King Philippe and King Felipe VI.
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The above post by karinna_87 contains photos from the coronation banquet.
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No. Interestingly, being consort to the monarch doesn't automatically grant you a title either. Makau Ariki in essence means, wife to the Paramount Leader. The reason being is that the position is voted in by the heads of leading families of leading tribes who debate in secret the candidates and then confirm the next head of the Kiingitanga or the King Movement. Therefore, the office is a stewardship of the position and all it represents, not the continuity of a specific lineage. At the enthronement the people confirm their support and then vocally support a title amoungst three presented to them. King and Queen are reserved exclusivley for the Monarch.

Although there is no crown prince, their oldest son has been granted two titles. Ariki Tamaroa (an old title indicating the oldest son of a high ranking leader - the feminine being Ariki Tapairu) and Te Whirinaki o Te Kiingi, a title previously conferred on the brother of Kiingi Mahuta who represented The King at traditional functions when he sat in the Legislative Council (the then upper house of the NZ Parliament - functioned on similar lines to the House of Lords in the UK).

The royal family as a whole are referred to as Te Kahui Ariki.

Sorry for the long winded essay...I got carried away.
Don't worry about it, it was very interesting, thank you. I have heard that in Uvea, Sigave and Alo, where the Kings are also elected from various royal families, that the wives of the Kings are called Queens.
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Old 07-06-2015, 07:28 PM
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'Not real royalty'. Did this Journalist forget the Windsors teutonic roots and Queen Victorias nickname 'grandmother of Europe'? It's one huge family lol
Sadly, I don't think that journalist is the exception. There is definitely a snob element among many British royalists who believe that the Windsors are superior to other royals.
I remember a, now dead, royal correspondent who said that Queen Elizabeth was "the longest serving head of state in the world." In fact, she was the fourth longest serving and when it was pointed out that the King of Thailand was the world's longest serving monarch and that in Europe the Prince of Monaco was the longest serving followed by the King of the Belgians and then Elizabeth, his answer was "Monaco? you can't count Monaco, it's only a tiny little country."
During Elizabeth's Diamond Jubilee when she gave a banquet for other monarchs, there were people complaining that none of the other monarchs bowed or curtsied to Elizabeth. When I pointed out to a group people who had made such a complaint that they were all of equal rank I was told "no they are not, the British monarch is the world's premier monarch and all others are beneath her."
One person even claimed that the other monarchs in Europe only have their titles because Queen Elizabeth allows them to use them but if she so wished she could abolish the titles and there was nothing that the holders could do about it.
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The BBC did report though on the recent abdications of Queen Beatrix, King Albert II and King Juan Carlos, and on the respective investitures of King Willem-Alexander, King Philippe and King Felipe VI.
Yes, but they only gave a fleeting reference to them instead of a good length report as many in Britain would like. Only yesterday I was talking to a lady, an ardent news watcher, who had only just found out that Queen Fabiola had died. She said that there was no mention on the news programmes she watched.
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One person even claimed that the other monarchs in Europe only have their titles because Queen Elizabeth allows them to use them but if she so wished she could abolish the titles and there was nothing that the holders could do about it.
That's what I call delusional.
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